Lock Strength Test Request: Benchmade Adamas Vs Cold Steel ____________

Both companies make good knives, but performance wise Cold steel is no1 in my book.I still buy and carry Benchmades, but for hard use Id chose Cold Steel!
 
I favor your reasoning, but you speak known fact. I like to carry other knives like "Ellie", the Elmax Kershaw Knockout. However I don't risk her to possible foolishness, thats why I back her up with the cruder blade like the "Dirty Harriet" my old CS Lawman with the steel liners. *turns to the camera* Thats right, folks! When you need a blade for those tougher jobs, make sure you keep handy a Cold steel! The World's Strongest Shar-- [TV turns off]

Regarding the faceoffs. Either they took a break from the tests or otherwise. If by any chance fear gives them pause (ahaha! funny stuff...), I say that's mislaid as we have seen AXIS fall to Tri-Ad many times. The stronger implementation in the Adamas makes this interesting. As is the idea that it could take 800 lbs of tension on the lock, when the research based on their own video gathered here puts it at around 425lbs. I love the Adamas, I own an Adamas, so I don't pick favorites, I just want to see if it can hold possibly more than the weight estimated here or even come close to what they said it could take before it goes down. Besides, the numbers are comparable when put against the Voyager which held 461 before snapping from torsion. Important to note that a blade snapping =/= lock failure. Because of this we may never see the Tri-Ad fully tested. The spinewhacks and overstrikes weigh consideration as well. Perhaps greater consideration because that greater simulates hard use and is the more important demo.

Keep in mind we've seen tests end prematurely because the opponent "tapped out" early. We have not seen any CS knife outside the Voyager truly tested to their limit. Any CS blade previously used is up for nomination. Honestly they all should be tested to failure, the opponents are usually more expensive than them anyway.

I wasn't rebutting anything you said, just keepin it fresh.
 
Jonslaught said:
I favor your reasoning, but you speak known fact. I like to carry other knives like "Ellie", the Elmax Kershaw Knockout. However I don't risk her to possible foolishness, thats why I back her up with the cruder blade like the "Dirty Harriet" my old CS Lawman with the steel liners. *turns to the camera* Thats right, folks! When you need a blade for those tougher jobs, make sure you keep handy a Cold steel! The World's Strongest Shar-- [TV turns off]

Regarding the faceoffs. Either they took a break from the tests or otherwise. If by any chance fear gives them pause (ahaha! funny stuff...), I say that's mislaid as we have seen AXIS fall to Tri-Ad many times. The stronger implementation in the Adamas makes this interesting. As is the idea that it could take 800 lbs of tension on the lock, when the research based on their own video gathered here puts it at around 425lbs. I love the Adamas, I own an Adamas, so I don't pick favorites, I just want to see if it can hold possibly more than the weight estimated here or even come close to what they said it could take before it goes down. Besides, the numbers are comparable when put against the Voyager which held 461 before snapping from torsion. Important to note that a blade snapping =/= lock failure. Because of this we may never see the Tri-Ad fully tested. The spinewhacks and overstrikes weigh consideration as well. Perhaps greater consideration because that greater simulates hard use and is the more important demo.

Keep in mind we've seen tests end prematurely because the opponent "tapped out" early. We have not seen any CS knife outside the Voyager truly tested to their limit. Any CS blade previously used is up for nomination. Honestly they all should be tested to failure, the opponents are usually more expensive than them anyway.

I wasn't rebutting anything you said, just keepin it fresh.
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You've still not fully grasped the difference between torque measurement and actual weight. 800 and 425 can both be exactly right. The amount of actual weight changes dramatically based on where you hang it. 4 inches from the pivot and 425 pounds will apply 1700 inch pounds of force. Simple math 425 x 4 = 1700. In the video, they claim 800 pounds, so all we have to do is 1700 ÷ 800 = 2.125. So the knife held 800 pounds when it was 2.125 inches from the pivot.

Again, that's why torque is the number that matters, it won't change.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
You've still not fully grasped the difference between torque measurement and actual weight. 800 and 425 can both be exactly right. The amount of actual weight changes dramatically based on where you hang it. 4 inches from the pivot and 425 pounds will apply 1700 inch pounds of force. Simple math 425 x 4 = 1700. In the video, they claim 800 pounds, so all we have to do is 1700 ÷ 800 = 2.125. So the knife held 800 pounds when it was 2.125 inches from the pivot.

Again, that's why torque is the number that matters, it won't change.
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Yep, and again I just want to mention that the test that produced the 1700 inch lbs does NOT go to failure (lock didn't break). It only went until a certain amount of deflection. So its possible that the 800lb number could come from a separate failure test OR simply be that they hung the weight from a different point. Either could be correct, and we have no real way of knowing without some additional info.
 
ocnLogan said:
Yep, and again I just want to mention that the test that produced the 1700 inch lbs does NOT go to failure (lock didn't break). It only went until a certain amount of deflection. So its possible that the 800lb number could come from a separate failure test OR simply be that they hung the weight from a different point. Either could be correct, and we have no real way of knowing without some additional info.
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Agreed. I'm 99% that between the two of us everything is mathematically sound, but it's still based on kind of shady data.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
You've still not fully grasped the difference between torque measurement and actual weight. 800 and 425 can both be exactly right. The amount of actual weight changes dramatically based on where you hang it. 4 inches from the pivot and 425 pounds will apply 1700 inch pounds of force. Simple math 425 x 4 = 1700. In the video, they claim 800 pounds, so all we have to do is 1700 ÷ 800 = 2.125. So the knife held 800 pounds when it was 2.125 inches from the pivot.

Again, that's why torque is the number that matters, it won't change.
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Ohhhh so when they tested it it was probably from a certain point that would give a different result. Well I told ya I have no head for numbers. To the point of confusion, indeed.:confused:
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Count me in for being interested. The Adamas is almost undoubtedly the stronger overall knife when you consider blade strength, handle strength, and edge durability as it's much more a smasher/folding pry bar than comparable CS folders. That means that, in my mind at least, the lock is the only thing in question.
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Now that the SR1 is here, I don’t think that the Adamas can see it in any area other than being more expensive.

I’d like to see this competition for sure!

Maybe if we can get that “alien headed guy” to call out Demko as being scared, we’ll end up seeing the test.
 
I just hate it when my Tri-Ad and Axis folders snap when I'm trying to lever a Buick off a cement barricade. I need a cutting implement that will stand up to high explosives.:rolleyes:
 
People get mixed up with what can affect the results of these tests. The axis lock on the adamas is strong for sure due to the thickness of the liners that the locking bar rests against, slow torquing negative spine pressure will still be very impressive on the adamas, such as in the weight hang tests. But, the Tri-Ad is superior to resisting any lock failure because it simply cannot give out under sudden impact tests, the tang and lockbar slots are just too deep to be effected by these forces, the only way the Tri-Ad will fail is if the handle or metal tang/pivot simply breaks and sheers off, which is very unlikely. Other locks like axis locks and frame locks can seem strong in slow weighted tests, but are prone to slipping out under sudden forces, due to the requirement of that spring tension in either the axis bar or the lock bar on a frame lock. Simple design mechanics.
 
I think the Medium G-10 Espada is a good candidate for the test vs Adamas. You prob dont need SR1 for that.
 
I wonder what the tests would show if the knives were oriented sideways (like using it as a pry bar).
 
Scott321 said:
I wonder what the tests would show if the knives were oriented sideways (like using it as a pry bar).
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Probably hold up sort of okay on both, but neither CS nor BM folders are designed with the idea of using them as pry bars.
 
Check out this video where Andrew Demko tested the old Lawman. He put the knife in between 2 brick and stepped on it and it held up.

 
hkyew said:
I think the Medium G-10 Espada is a good candidate for the test vs Adamas. You prob dont need SR1 for that.
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The SR1 is the fairest choice.

The SR1 weighing 7 oz to the Adamas weighing 7.7 oz

Although we all know which knife will come out on top.
 
it will not happen...been asking to test the adamas for years now.....you check Youtube comments...the suggestion to test the adamas is much more frequent than the RAO.
Further than taht...cold steel never ever seems to respond to this specific challenge...so im afraid its starting to smell like chicken.
think a recon or ak would do just fine
 
robin11 said:
it will not happen...been asking to test the adamas for years now.....you check Youtube comments...the suggestion to test the adamas is much more frequent than the RAO.
Further than taht...cold steel never ever seems to respond to this specific challenge...so im afraid its starting to smell like chicken.
think a recon or ak would do just fine
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Why not the SR1? The Adamas is the heavier knife...

We need you to keep calling out Demko and Cold Steel, like that “Alien headed guy”. Then we’ll get the test, the SR1 will eat the Adamas’ lunch, and we can all go back to our day to days
 
Mick_1KRR said:
People get mixed up with what can affect the results of these tests. The axis lock on the adamas is strong for sure due to the thickness of the liners that the locking bar rests against, slow torquing negative spine pressure will still be very impressive on the adamas, such as in the weight hang tests. But, the Tri-Ad is superior to resisting any lock failure because it simply cannot give out under sudden impact tests, the tang and lockbar slots are just too deep to be effected by these forces, the only way the Tri-Ad will fail is if the handle or metal tang/pivot simply breaks and sheers off, which is very unlikely. Other locks like axis locks and frame locks can seem strong in slow weighted tests, but are prone to slipping out under sudden forces, due to the requirement of that spring tension in either the axis bar or the lock bar on a frame lock. Simple design mechanics.
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100% agree with what you said, in addition I think the sudden impact is also a more useful and realistic test to what might possibly happen in real use. And in my opinion the cold steel triad lock is only second to the custom Demko triad lock. With that being said in normal day to day tasks of a folder none of this really matters, but its fun!

Just realized as I'm typing this is a year old thread, eh whatever.
 
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