Locks with Springs durability

[K.O.D.]

The majority of these types are not very fidget friendly because they usually can't be flipped closed. At least that has been my experience, and partially why the axis lock is preferred by many professionals over liner/frame locks.

I absolutely disagree. I can close most of my knives quite quickly, especially my Civivi front flippers as well as my PM2 and PM3.

I have severe anxiety, and fidgeting with my knives helps calm me down so I don't need to take meds nearly as often. It's better than a spinner or other "toy" because it's also a useful tool I use everyday.

For me at least, I prefer the manual action of open and closing versus holding the axis or comp lock open and using centric force.

I also hold BM in great disdain for a number of reasons, so that also influences my opinion. This on you of my dislike of most thumbstuds add to it.

It peeves me that those springs are so brittle. Yet my 23 year old SOG arc lock has never broken, so maybe it's a better design? If I could get it rebladed in a different shape and get a new clip I might put it back in the rotation.

 

[JAF1973]

I have been using the Hogue ABLE lock and so far I have had great success.

 

[mcflyfyter]

I absolutely disagree. I can close most of my knives quite quickly, especially my Civivi front flippers as well as my PM2 and PM3.

I have severe anxiety, and fidgeting with my knives helps calm me down so I don't need to take meds nearly as often. It's better than a spinner or other "toy" because it's also a useful tool I use everyday.

For me at least, I prefer the manual action of open and closing versus holding the axis or comp lock open and using centric force.

I also hold BM in great disdain for a number of reasons, so that also influences my opinion. This on you of my dislike of most thumbstuds add to it.

It peeves me that those springs are so brittle. Yet my 23 year old SOG arc lock has never broken, so maybe it's a better design? If I could get it rebladed in a different shape and get a new clip I might put it back in the rotation.

Obviously you chose knives that were easier to unlock. I bet you would find that more than 50% of knives require placing a body part between the blade and handle to unlock if you were to tally all folding models.

I don't care for studs either, because they reduce usable blade length. I also despise spyderco because it took them decades to innovate and refine their knives.

It's a good thing there are so many choices, and we can typically find a model that is at least acceptable to us.

 

[The Mastiff]

The majority of these types are not very fidget friendly because they usually can't be flipped closed. At least that has been my experience, and partially why the axis lock is preferred by many professionals over liner/frame locks.

Which professionals and which study are you referring too? Professionals at what? What are the numbers of the study you refer to and where can we see them?

I also despise spyderco because it took them decades to innovate and refine their knives.

Spyderco has lead the way with many of the innovations we now take for granted and they constantly refine their designs and the production process . They call it "CQI or Constant Quality Improvement" and it is an ongoing thing. Feel free to despise them all you want but you should expect a correction or two when you post incorrect info.

Joe

 

[mcflyfyter]

Which professionals and which study are you referring too? Professionals at what? What are the numbers of the study you refer to and where can we see them?




Spyderco has lead the way with many of the innovations we now take for granted and they constantly refine their designs and the production process . They call it "CQI or Constant Quality Improvement" and it is an ongoing thing. Feel free to despise them all you want but you should expect a correction or two when you post incorrect info.

Joe

The fact they axis locks even exist proves you wrong.

You may be too young to know, but for a really long time spyderco literally riveted their knives together (yes, just like a gas station knives) and it was nearly a 2 handed operation to open one for the first month. Granted, they are lightyears ahead of that now, but they produced terrible knives for a ridiculously long time. To claim this is false shows either your youthfulness, or silliness.

 

[tiguy7]

Only benchmade to peak my interest in many years, but too expensive in my opinion. Implementing that new lock design would help with many things I imagine, the least of which is strength.

If a compression coil spring breaks, it can still work if it is supported with a rod inside.

 

[The Mastiff]

The fact they axis locks even exist proves you wrong.

Huh?

You may be too young to know, but for a really long time spyderco literally riveted their knives together (yes, just like a gas station knives) and it was nearly a 2 handed operation to open one for the first month. Granted, they are lightyears ahead of that now, but they produced terrible knives for a ridiculously long time. To claim this is false shows either your youthfulness, or silliness.

I bought my first one in 1992. It was riveted but it was never a two handed operation opening or closing. They weren't exactly like gas station knives. How long is "ridiculously long"? I'm having a difficult time following your posts. Which "professionals" did you refer to and where is your evidence of them preferring Axis locks over liner/frame locks. You are trying to sound authoritative but you have not backed up any of your statements. Attempting to insult me doesn't make you any more right about your pronouncements either.

 

[elasmonut]

My first knife with a spring type of lock was the Sog Kiku XR with the XR lock. I had that one for 4 months and the spring broke. I sent that one in under warranty to get fixed. While waiting on that, I bought a Benchmade North Fork, which has the axis lock. I've had the North Fork for about 5 months, and the spring just broke on that one today. I'm going to send that one in for warranty work as well.
In comparison, I've had my Para 3 (compression lock, no spring) for almost 5 years with no issues at all.

I'm not hard on the knives, though I do tend to fidget with them a lot. It just seems like a bad design, given the two that I have with that feature have failed relatively quickly.
Is there something I could be doing to prevent this type of failure, or is it just to be expected with this design? At this point I'm thinking I'm going to just avoid this type of lock on future knives, which is a shame because the North Fork is currently my favorate. I just don’t trust them anymore.

The Para has a spring, it's just bigger, like a liner lock. A piece of flat sheet metal is more durable than a piece of wire. Both work well, but a piece of wire is easier to replace than a precisely machined liner.
I can make an omega spring with wire and pliers, a liner/ compression lock requires a mill and or laser cutter.

 

[K.O.D.]

I've only experienced one Spyderco that was difficult to open, and that was the short lived Szabo folder. Every one than I have owned has been pretty smooth, from a lowly dragonfly to the Southard.

A lot of people expect the CBBL of the manix 2 to operate like an axis lock. Buts it's completely different, a stronger and more reliable lock, if a bit stiffer.

 

[midnight flyer]

I've never heard of a lock back's lockbar spring breaking; on any brand.

Got one for you. Back in the late 70s probably about a third of all guys in construction carried the Buck 110. Several of them on the job every day going across all the trades being used for anything the owner felt was suitable.

One of the HVAC guys managed to break his, and everyone on the job was in disbelief. Sure, we'd seen plenty of crap knives break but never a Buck. He got the bright idea to call Buck, and they were in disbelief as well. At that time there was no discussion of warranty from them, promised or implied. IIRC, there was a written limited warranty on my 119, but not on his 110. So he regretfully sent it to them because they said they wanted to take a look at it and might fix it if they could. He figured he was going to get screwed, but had nothing to lose since the knife literally would not stay open. Looking at that knife myself I figured he had certainly got his money's worth out of it because it was beat to hell and the tip was broken off the blade.

And then, this is how Buck built their reputation. In about 3 weeks he had a brand new 110 in his hands with a new leather sheath. No charge! It also had a handwritten note in there that somebody wrote to apologize for the inconvenience.

That story was told so many times on site and when hunting I could tell it better than he could, and I'll bet it sold another hundred knives for Buck.

So out of the thousands of Bucks I have seen on the job since the mid 70s, that's the only one.

Robert

 

[Yo Mama]

The fact they axis locks even exist proves you wrong.

You may be too young to know, but for a really long time spyderco literally riveted their knives together (yes, just like a gas station knives) and it was nearly a 2 handed operation to open one for the first month. Granted, they are lightyears ahead of that now, but they produced terrible knives for a ridiculously long time. To claim this is false shows either your youthfulness, or silliness.

I have a Native with rivets, drops shut beyond smooth. It's an older knife, definately not 2 handed. Spyderco has refined plenty and have helped the knife industry develop and expand specific knife steels like no other company ever did, all while creating new locks and manufacturing processes.

During this time the para2 and endura/delica line were also strong, no where near gas station knives, they were and still are some of the most popular designs of all time, which is why they keep making them.

Not sure what your point is other than maybe you don't like the spydie hole?

 

[colin.p]

I have a Schrade LB5 that the lock-spring broke back in the late '90's or so. I bought the knife new in '85 but just one day, it would no longer stay locked and the lockbar wouldn't stay locked to the blade. I never got around to sending it back to Schrade, too late now. I still have the knife and it still looks new. Maybe I should put the bolster in a vice and tighten the heck out of it and make it into a friction folder

 

[mcflyfyter]

Huh?


I bought my first one in 1992. It was riveted but it was never a two handed operation opening or closing. They weren't exactly like gas station knives. How long is "ridiculously long"? I'm having a difficult time following your posts. Which "professionals" did you refer to and where is your evidence of them preferring Axis locks over liner/frame locks. You are trying to sound authoritative but you have not backed up any of your statements. Attempting to insult me doesn't make you any more right about your pronouncements either.

You'll be ok, I promise.

 

[WadeWilson]

You'll be ok, I promise.

Still not going to clarify who the "professionals" are..? Gotta agree with The Mastiff ...not exactly supporting your view point. In fact, your responses are starting to very much remind me of a pizza cutter: all edge and no point.

 

[mcflyfyter]

Still not going to clarify who the "professionals" are..? Gotta agree with The Mastiff ...not exactly supporting your view point. In fact, your responses are starting to very much remind me of a pizza cutter: all edge and no point.

You are correct. Benchmade is a laundering front for a drug cartel, and nobody actually purchases or uses their knives. I apologize

 

[K.O.D.]

Well, being that I'm nobody, and I do not purchase or use their knives, you're not wrong...

 

[The Mastiff]

You are correct. Benchmade is a laundering front for a drug cartel, and nobody actually purchases or uses their knives. I apologize

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I also despise spyderco because it took them decades to innovate and refine their knives.

Maybe you should realize that when you make incorrect posts as if they are fact you should be prepared to explain your positions and not get offended and immediately resort to insults . Above is only one example but it's where I decided to call you out. Your knowledge doesn't seem to keep pace with your confidence. Keep in mind many people come here to learn and posting incorrect information can be a problem.

 

[mcflyfyter]

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Maybe you should realize that when you make incorrect posts as if they are fact you should be prepared to explain your positions and not get offended and immediately resort to insults . Above is only one example but it's where I decided to call you out. Your knowledge doesn't seem to keep pace with your confidence. Keep in mind many people come here to learn and posting incorrect information can be a problem.

I'm pretty sure you aren't going to find the hard data you are looking for. If you could, you could easily prove my statements false. Simple reasoning is on my side, but what do you have? Questions of course.

Are you done yet, or do you want to do a few rounds of asking me to prove to you the earth is not flat?

 

[The Mastiff]

I'm pretty sure you aren't going to find the hard data you are looking for. If you could, you could easily prove my statements false. Simple reasoning is on my side, but what do you have? Questions of course.

Are you done yet, or do you want to do a few rounds of asking me to prove to you the earth is not flat?

You made the statements, you prove them. Trying to change the subject with insults means you are bottomed out and have nothing else. What next? Are you just going to try to annoy people to show how right you are? That always ends well eh?

 

[mcflyfyter]

You made the statements, you prove them. Trying to change the subject with insults means you are bottomed out and have nothing else. What next? Are you just going to try to annoy people to show how right you are? That always ends well eh?

I already said that nobody actually uses axis locks. Why are you not satisfied by me acknowledging that you are correct?