Long Double Edge Fighters - which ones?

HJK

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Who makes the best fighters with sharp top and bottom edges that are , say, 6" long and more? Greg Lightfoot does and so does Al Polkowski, but are there any others in the same league and, what I'd really like to know: are there any forged, preferably with a double hamon?
A related issue: what's the difference between a double edged fighter and a dagger? - and no jokes about what's the difference between a double edged knife and a tent peg.
 
Check out Jim Hammond Cobra Gold and any of the Brend fighters of that size. They are partially double edged.Alex.
 
Thanks, guys.
The Hammond does look interesting. The Brends look more interesting, especially the D2 subhilts. Trust Les to have them on his site! I couldn't make much out of the Yamash*ta site, I guess my browser isn't reading the Japanese properly.
I'm surprised it's so hard to find forged versions, and a double Hamon isn't easy. But I'm sure there are a few out there...

Does a dagger always have to be symmetrical? I would have thought the function defined the form. Is a dagger primarily for stabbing? That's not a rhetorical question: I don't know the history of combat knives and daggers too well, obviously.


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Hi Howard,

Daggers are for "sticking". Fighters are a category that allows many styles to be "lumped" into it.

In the 16th - 18th centuries when Custom Knives were made for both military and the rich. Every blade style that you could think of was used. Daggers were generally carried as ornemantal pieces, however they found service as a "in close" weapon during sword fights.

Fighters didnt become popular until swords were no longer carried on a daily basis (mostly due to laws).

These knives were first and foremost a tool, that were used as fighting knives when that became what the knife was needed for.

You bring up the Brend Model 2, which as everyone knows I am very fond of. I carried one for several years. However, I also carried a M-16 and a .45 in the field as well. I had access to and training in the utilization of Mortars, Artillery, Close Air Support (both fixed and rotary winged) and even Naval Gun Support. I even went through a "Back Pack" Nuclear Weapon course. Oh yea, and as a Rifle Platoon Leader in the 101st, I had 45 Highly Motivated, Trained Killers!

Point is, with all this I never considered the Brend as a "Fighter". I viewed the knife as a tool. Because if I was using it as "Fighter" it was because I was in deep "DO DO".

Question: What is the best fighting knife in the world?

Answer: The one in your hand when the knife fight starts.

As someone pointed out symetry is the trade mark of a dagger. A double edge fighter will generally have a little thicker tip (especially the Brend). They also will have a more utilty purpose. The Sykes-Fairbain Dagger issued to British Paratroopers in WWII were despised by the troops who used them. As Infantry soldiers are not known for the gentle use of their issued items. The tips of the knives were famous for breaking off.

So while they were great for sentry removal (sliding the blade betwen the 6th and 7th rib ). They were really good for nothing else.

For the double Hamon. I would check with some of the ABS Master Smiths. Im sure they could make for you exactly what you are looking for.

Personally, I like Fighters better than daggers. With Sub-Hilt Fighters being my favorite. Currently, Walter is making a Sub-Hilt Fighter for me in 3V. No, it's not for sale, this will be my personal knife.

Howard, look at the job you want the knife to do. Then design it for that job.

A hammer and a screw driver are both tools, but are not interchangeable. To many people want to make one knife be all things.

When I was in the field I carried 3 different knives and a Machate. Right tool for the right job. Once your carrying 110 pounds worth of equipment whats another 2 pounds of knives!

Howard, if you would like to talk more about knife design feel free to email me.



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Thanks Les! I really appreciate your time and the benefit of your knowledge. Great post!
 
HJK,I do forge small fighters with a sharpened back edge....You can talk to Sing Or Boriqua about them or in the archives you can find there reviews on them..I don't know how to get the double hamon line at the present but I am trying to find out how to do it.You can see some of my work on my website,just click on the link in my signature,
Bruce

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Bruce, I will need to get to a cable modem to check out all those knives: my pathetic 56k on my laptop [which I'm using now] takes forever to open the thumbnails. What I've seen so far looks great.
 
Hi HJK,
Just remembered, if you are looking for nice double edged fighter/dagger go to www.knifedirectory.com and look up Joe Cordova under custom makers. He makes nice double edged fighter called Gladiator. I also think that he forges most of his knives. If you looking for something cheaper than check out Steve Voorhis knives. He makes excellent subhilt daggers and I was told that they are forged. They can be often found on Ebay. I bought one awhile ago and it was good, but I sold it later to buy something else.I have pictures of some of his knives and can e-mail them to you. They cost around $250. Alex.
 
Fan,

Joe Cordova does make a great Dagger the "Galdiator" (along the lines of a Smatchett) it is not forged.

However, Joe is a ABS Master Smith, as well as a former President of ABS.

A very good selection for a large double edge dagger.



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Les Robertson
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Custom Knife Entrepreneur
 
I went a bit fixed blade crazy ("had to have" sickness) a coupla weeks ago and loved the look of knives by Broadwell, Siska and Bauchop...unfort, double egdes are a no-no here so I had to content myself with summat else, but mebbe throwing these names at you will help your quest
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Thanks, Ferret. Double edges against the law down there? Why? I thought you guys were a little more sensible and free than the Peoples Democratic Socialist Dominion of Canada. Can you post a picture of your favourite recent acquisition?
 
HJK,

Actually the Aussies and the Brits got screwed royally regarding their individual rights. Unfortunately, we're next.
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Come to Canada where home invasion is a growth industry.
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Steve
 
One other maker that puts together a very nice double edge knife is Rod Chappel. Although his stuff leans more toward the art side and is quite expensive. I know he had a standard dagger, which was pretty stout and a couple of fighter patterns which were ground up the backside. I also remember a truely exquisite dagger he made. He really loves big knives with contoured grips.

He used to have a shop in Lynnwood, WA, but I haven't talked to him in over a year (I moved out of the country) so I don't know if he is still there or not. I've seen a few of his pieces for sale out on the internet.
 
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