Long range rifle

1066vik said:
He's in Canada - semi-autos aren't verboten, but...
and a nice heavy barreled varminter in .223 will do what the OP wants.
Lots of good choices out there, Mossberg, Stevens, and Marlin all make low end actions that can be tricked out for about the cost of a Sako/Tikka, Ruger M77, Remmy 700 or Winchester M-70.
Savage is a good middle ground action with the accutrigger. (Stevens is their loss leader brand)

good luck Brad!
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exactly, what I'v been thinking. I'v found some models with a heavy barrel and accutrigger, gonna spend a few extra bucks and get an accustock to methinks.
 
good plan - if you hadn't stated a desire for an aftermarket stock, that would have been my first recommendation. I'm just mad the new Accustocks don't fit the older actions.
 
havent read the entire thread but here's my $.02:
accustock is a PIECE OF SHIT!
its just injected molded plastic.
remingotn 700 is the way to go.
i paid $615 for my 700 SPS varmint .308 with a $40 mail in rebate.
falcon mencae 5-25x50mm mil/mil
EGW 20moa base, seekins 30mm low rings, harris 9-13" bipod, eagle cheek pack
badger bottom metal as well as Mcmillan A5 stock is in the works. shoots lights out (.6moa) with Hornady 168g BTHP AMAX's.
remington has the most/best aftermarket support followed by savage.

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p.s. - 200yds is not long range, 1k is. vids all over the internet about guys shooting 1 mile with .308
 
Brad,

Have you ever used an Accustock? I'm wondering whats so bad about it. I'v herd goood things about it, it seems to be a fiberglass and steel housing that would make the action alot more stable. alot more than any other plastic stock close to its price range anyways. Either way 700's arnt that cheap up here I can get a Savage way cheaper.

1066vik,
I have herd some bad things about savage stocks which was why I was thinking aftermarket, but I'm hopeing that if I spend a bit more money on a high end rifle, I hopefully will be able to save more by using the stock that comes with the gun. I"v read that savage stocks are pretty much useless for any sort or range and that there only any good with a custom stock put on them. I'm really hopeing that this isn't true, or at least there high end ones are good quility.

Whats your experince with them?
 
Brad, I work for an major big box gun store and can vouch that the accustock is crap. we had remington 700 ADL's with scope, 26" varmint barrel for $459 about 3 weeks ago. its the same barreled action as my SPS but i had a camo stock and a blind magazine. most people will upgrade stocks anyways so this was a helluva deal. sold 3 in one night. 2 in .308 and one in .223

ETA: regular savage stocks are on par with every other company, ie remington, tikka. if you are shooting to 1k, you will want more than an upgraded stock. consider trigger - i prefer timney or rifle basix. then you talk about rolling your own loads and a custom barrel. you can easily drop 2k on a scope etc etc
 
Brad Greulich said:
1066vik,
I have herd some bad things about savage stocks which was why I was thinking aftermarket, but I'm hopeing that if I spend a bit more money on a high end rifle, I hopefully will be able to save more by using the stock that comes with the gun. I"v read that savage stocks are pretty much useless for any sort or range and that there only any good with a custom stock put on them. I'm really hopeing that this isn't true, or at least there high end ones are good quility.

Whats your experince with them?
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Brad,
if you want to shoot at the most 250 meters - which is pretty much all you've stated you want to be able to do - the Savage accustock is fine. The standard (old style) Savage stock could also be made to work fine with a little sandpaper and some accuglass.
I don't work in a big box gun store -- I have a gunsmith buddy who told me this is the action to work with, and I trust him more than I do most of the young guys I've seen working a gun counter. (this is not a dig at any other poster, just a statement of opinion)
If you want to shoot out to 1000 meters, .223 isn't going to cut it, so it's a moot point - for that you want something in the .30 cal family (300, 308, 338)
If you can get a Savage varminter with the heavy profile barrel, try it out with several different loads & brands of ammo to see what it groups best with, it should do what you want. If you decide you want to be able to shoot LONG distances at some point in the future, McMillan makes a superb aftermarket stock, as do several other companies, but you'd be better off at that point getting a new rifle in a larger caliber.
 
Savage is good for the money. I am partial to FN or AI. Cost a bit more but I dare you to find a better rifle for under 5 grand.
 
Pretty much any factory bolt action comes out of the box MOA and will suit your needs out to 200yards and beyond. Forhunting and paper shooting... Extreme distance hunting and shooting takes a bit more into consideration .338 win mag and .300 win mag are my choices for extreme. And would also be my hunting choice for bear elk and caribou

For hunting Deer size game to varmint out to 400yards then 25-06 , 308 and 6mm

1st never skimp on your optics! Buy the very best you can afford.Too many people will spend a grand on a rifle platform then put a budget scope on it. Thats just counter productive.

2nd most important function is the trigger crisp and lite. Either repalceable or tunable.

3rd barrel weight and length

4th stock.

If you want new out of the box accuracy then I say Savage hands down every time.
If you want a remington 700 then buy a used beat to hell 700 rifle with a good action. Then build your rifle around that action..

Did I mention the importance of quality optics???

Good Luck
ST~
 
Savage stocks.. (I'm not speaking about the current accu stocks, I'm not familiar with them) the first synthetic stocks pre accu trigger and the synthetic stocks on the 1st gen accutrigger were crap for shooting from a bi-pod. Way to much flex for them to be consistent in shot placement.

You could take the time and harden their forends by glass bedding in some fence strap or metal rod. Or, just re-place it with the Choate sniper or varminter/ Bell and Carlson Medallion / or the Bell and Carlson Duramax which is an excellent choice for affordability $120 +/- and easy to install you need to drill one hole.
 
Rem. 700 so many options for you to customize with this model. Also you can't go wrong with the .308win. Such a great round with lots of data and easy to find stuff for.

Matt
 
The Rem. 700 and Savage models are hard to beat for what you get for your money. Almost everyone makes aftermarket parts for it. I prefer the model 70 action on the FN Herstal SPR and the box magazine is a plus. With hand loads I am able to get about 1/2 MOA with my FN SPR (FN barrel is 24" with a 1 in 12" twist- using Berger 175 BTHP). Factory match ammo gets just under 1 MOA. My 700 SPS is very close (barrel is also 1 in 12" a bit shorter 20") though for some reason it seems to like 165 bthp Sierra Match king a bit more than the 175. The best I have been able to do with the 700 is just shy of 1 MOA. My surprise was how accurate some of the new Savage models are. Love that accu-trigger! Wish more manufacturers were using it. The Savage model I got to play with shot 1 MOA out of the box! That was with standard military match grade. I am sure with minimal tweaking and some hand loads it would have shot sub MOA. While the FN SPR is still my favorite (and twice the price of the 700 and Savage) the best bang for your buck would have to be the Savage.
 
Wow, I just checked Savages web page. Their prices sure have gone up since the last time I looked. For that price I would just go with the FN. I guess the 700 is still the champ when it comes to bang for your buck.
 
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The only 1/4 moa rifle I own is my Accuracy International AW in .308. But there is no point getting one of those unless you are shooting 1000 yards. Someday I will upgrade to .338 Lapua, but at the moment I don't have the money for the gun, glass, brass, tools and die etc.
 
if the OP hasnt bought a rifle yet, i suggest checking out HOWA rifles. they are some of THE most accurate rifles out there for the money 450-600(ive never seen one that DIDNT shoot sub MOA) and they can be had in a package deal with a Nikon scope. Howa makes Weatherbys barrels, as well as parts for many other American gun companies. slickest action right out of the box, like glass sliding on glass. yeah theyre Japanese made, but Miroku makes Brownings for Christs sake. check a HOWA out, you wont be dissapointed
 
Another thind to think about,is if your planning on gunning for big game beyond 400 yards to wait a minute 1000 yards. Then you really need to rethink your caliber choice that will give you the best ballistics from you rifle to the next county. and the Two calibers to do that is the .300 win mag or the better choice .338 win mag.

You will also need a great range estimator device, a spoter that can plot the parabala. and the personal trigger time where you've learned to control your diaphragmatic breathing and the timing of your trigger pull to match in between your heart beats rythym.
 
If you are planning to hunt with it, .223 is too small (except for turkey, raccoons, skunks).

.22-250 is a better varmint round for out to 300 yards.

.243, .270 and .308 calibers are my recommendation.

The Browning X-bolt is great straight out of the box.

Reminton 700s are great as well.

I would recommend Leupold for the scope as the best value.

Best regards,

M.
 
Machaira said:
If you are planning to hunt with it, .223 is too small (except for turkey, raccoons, skunks).
The Browning X-bolt is great straight out of the box.
I would recommend Leupold for the scope as the best value.
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My Browning X-bolt is a laser but i disagree on the leupold comment. i have had one or two of their low end scopes and they really disappointed me. Burris is a much better choice for the price.
keep in mind that most states have a minimum caliber for hunting.
 
for 100-200 yards, get a .22. I have a ruger 10/22 with a Tapco stock, and a simmons 6x18 scope, that I shoot out to 300 yards, plinking pop cans
 
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