Long term Survivial

Along the lines of this thread, a couple of years back I admitted to myself that my survival-prep was sorely lacking in the long-term area, and I began taking at least the basic steps toward improving my basic knowledge and skill base in that direction, too. Began reading basic books on animal-farming--starting, say, with Barnyard in Your Backyard (very basic stuff on chickens, goats, etc.) In a more hands-on direction, I researched what crops had evolved over millennia of association with the local natives, and for the last two years have been farming tiny plots of mixed corn, beans, and squash in the manner of the local tribes. With a good deal of trial and error--but also the benefit of modern information technology, cutting down drastically on the amount of error--I'm teaching myself (and my kids) at least the rudiments of growing desert-adapted crops whose existence has almost fallen out of anyone's knowledge. Though a lot of the seeds one sees in stores nowadays are hybrids--specifically designed by the seed companies so that they will not bear viable seed for more than a generation or so--I've focused on what are now called "heirloom" seeds--seeds that have been successfully reproduced for indefinite numbers of generations. Especially helpful in this, in my area, has been an organization called Native Seeds / SEARCH, whose website is www.nativeseeds.org . (They sell seeds for a pretty-low price--a big part of their mission is getting people growing these things in as many places as possible, to decrease the likelihood that the various varieties will go extinct.) Their scientists have been poking around isolated villages and tiny farm-plots for decades, seeking out the dwindling number of old folks who still do their farming in what are sometimes close to pre-Columbian ways, and they have assembled quite an impressive collection of seed varieties that would likely have died out but for their work. (One example: tepary beans, Phaseolus acutifolius, are a very hardy, desert-adapted bean, formerly a staple of the Papago and Pima tribes of Arizona and northern Mexico. The beans have lots of protein, are insect-resistant, and they thrive in low-water situations, reproducing in an extremely-short time after the brief summer rainy season. Downsides are that the beans are tiny, the pods tend to break open easily, dropping the seeds on the ground. Pinto beans (Phaseolus vulgaris) are larger, easier to harvest with mechanical means, everyone knows how to use them, so they have largely displaced tepary beans even on native American farms. Tepary beans actually produce more under drought-like conditions than under ordinary irrigation, and will produce under conditions that will cause near-total failure of a pinto-bean crop. The natives grew them, usually in mixed plots with corn (which served as supporting poles for the bean vines) and squash (whose broad leaves helped shade the ground, retaining moisture). I now have my second year's corn/bean/squash crop coming up in a tiny side-yard of my home, and my two-year-old daughter and four- and six-year-old sons are learning every step as I do. Kind of fun, and I commend it to all of you. Though I have no illusions that it would be easy to survive if we suddenly had to depend on this for survival, I see it as a prudent step in the right direction.
 
the possum said:
Even the Indians didn't bother with a bow drill or what have you every day.

It is a basic axiom that was taught to me that anyone who actually knows how to start a fire with a bowdrill or fire board, etc. Is never caught without a lighter. I know that at $1 for three I have them scattered throughout my camping gear and clothes. It would almost be impossible for me to go camping and not "by accident" to have at least three of those lighters in my gear.

KR
 
kr1 said:
It is a basic axiom that was taught to me that anyone who actually knows how to start a fire with a bowdrill or fire board, etc. Is never caught without a lighter.
. . .
KR

Which is the problem with many axioms; they are false. There are places in the world without the materials. 'Course, they're short of things to burn period. :D
 
in some parts of WV we wouldn't even notice, the rest of well it aint been that long ago that we lived off of what we could grow and hunt as a matter of fact my grandfather fed us from his garden and we ate about 7 deer a year from him my family still hunts a lot though the gardens have gotten less.
 
J.d. good post.

I tried some Heirloom seeds (not specifically drought
resistant) and they were great. It was so long ago
I cannot remember the varieties. I will research.

The garden was very successful without a fence,
when I had a dog and the deer population was low.
Later, the deer poplulation went way up and I had no
dog. Deer will eat, eat, eat.

I have grown Jeruselum Artichoke ( a perrenial
sunflower-looking with tasty roots) and they lasted
about six years with no watering, on the high plains,
in a dry wash.

I recommend trying a dry wash garden. Easy digging,
sandy.

To keep deer away from apple tree seedlings,
here is a trick I learned. Find firm ground, not pure sand.
Dig a 4ft deep hole, plant the seedling. Put field fence
around the hole, 6 ft diameter. Now it is protected from
drought and deer, though you still will have to water it
a few times for the first 4 years. You can add a second
story of field fence later.

Deer will jump most ordinary garden fences. A nasty addition
to ordinary fence: around the regular fence, put large-hole
chicken-wire or small hole field fence, HORIZONTALLY, about
1 to 2 feet off the ground. The deer will get caught in it and
cannot jump your regular fence.

frank
 
After hurricane Katrina, I'm not as certain, as I once was, that some situation requiring "long term" survival is so far out of the question. Part of it requires a definition of "long term." Before hurricane Katrina, FEMA had recommended that people store a three-day supply of food and water. That's all well and good, but, it took four and a half days for the National Guard to arrive in New Orleans, in force, and several/many more days for them to get out and actually starting to rescue people, and making deliveries of water and food.

In New Orleans, how much looting and stealing for survival (and some, for-profit...) was done? How many robberies, rapes, and murders occurred in New Orleans, post-Katrina, in those days that were lawless and chaotic...? Chances are, we'll never know. Nine months after hurricane Katrina, we still don't have a final tally of all of the deaths that the storm caused, either primarily or secondarily, and, we may never discover that number, either. How many were washed out to sea, or, the alligators got them...?

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One thing that I noted about the FEMA site, pre-Katrina, is that, in their "preparation manuals," no mention was made of those sometimes 'politically incorrect' edged tools that we commonly refer to as knives, hatchets, and axes. If those that had remained in New Orleans, in order to "ride out" Katrina, had known that their best means of survival from the flood might be an axe, with which to cut their way out of their attic, well, perhaps they wouldn't have stayed in New Orleans.

But, some, as others have noted, didn't have the financial means which would have given them the "choice" to leave New Orleans. There were some that required to be forced to leave, and there were some that could have left, if the city had offered them a "mandatory" bus ride out of town, but, how 'mandatory' can an evacuation be...? Can National Guardsmen come up to a house and demand that people leave, at gunpoint, if that house is located within a potential hurricane landing zone...? I don't see that happening...so, people will likely still die in hurricanes, no matter how many chances they might be given to leave.

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I think that I have about a 50-day supply of food, water, and other SHTF necessities. But, more "long term" than that, I don't know what will happen then.

"Modern man" seems to be nearly immediately knocked-back approximately 100-years whenever a thunderstorm takes out his electricity. Thankfully, electricity is usually out for only a short amount of time before it is restored, and it usually doesn't lead to the spoilage of food...but, what if the lights, air conditioning, and refrigeration were off for weeks, or even months...?

How many water wheels, placed in-line, in the middle of a creek, and wires, lots of wires, would I need to power-up my old Frigidaire...? ;)

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I need to look into getting some of those heirloom or native seeds....

GeoThorn
 
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