Long Term Winter Hiking

Special thanks to Thomas Linton, notrefined and m_calingo! Truly helpful suggestions/information/ideas!
 
You should definitely read Peter Jenkins' WALK ACCROSS AMERICA. It is one of my most favorite books. (I've given it as a gift often.) Jenkins did exactly what you are planning to do. More than gear, and more than knowledge, you will need heart. Perhaps this book can provide some inspiration.

Also-- if it were me, I'd find some way to start my official journey on the Atlantic coast. It would be a shame to walk all that way without being able to truly say that you walked accross America.

Scott
 
haha. I'm not stopping in San Francisco. I'm gonna walk all around the US. And maybe even venture outside her. I'm not doing this for bragging rights, I'm doing it because it's what I must do.
 
Nichov, I wish you the best of luck on your endeavour. This will be a "trip of a lifetime" adventure, no matter how it turns out. :D

To keep it from turning out tragically, follow the advice given above to research the trip before leaving. As a chronic cheap fart, I recommend you utilize your local library to the max in finding the recommended books to read, studying maps to establish your route, and research gear online & in periodicals like backpacking magazines.

For a "zero cost" trip scavenging will be (or become) a vital skill. Keep your eyes open as you travel, both to new materials (and uses for materials), sources for those materials, and new ideas on how to survive on the road.

Courtesy in asking others for support will also be huge, given that most of the status quo will cast a suspicious eye on anyone who doesn't present evidence of having a 8-to-5 job. Being very courteous and respectful will help overcome some of this suspicion. However, Americans can also be the most generous and magnanimous people you could ever hope to meet. Don't be surprised if/when you are supported and provided for beyond all expectation. Do be openly grateful to those who will open their hearts and resources to providing for you.

To re-emphasize a few specific items mentioned already:
- a closed cell sleeping pad or other insulating layer will be absolutely critical to keep the ground from sucking away body heat as you sleep. :mad: Watch for a pad at thrift stores or flea markets (it is the wrong season for garage or yard sales)
- thrift stores as a cheap source of gear (Salvation Army, Goodwill, etc)
- wool or polar fleece as a winter fabric of choice (jeans are cold and binding when wet)
- the utmost importance of your boots
- using a wool or polar fleece stocking cap (or balaclava even better) to keep your head area warm
- a Swiss Army Knife (SAK) makes a sheeple-friendly multi-purpose tool to always have in your pocket
- visit the Swamp Rat Survival Forum to garner info from an expanded audience

A few other specific items:

- gaiters to keep snow out of your boots and off of your lower legs.
These can be improvised with plastic and duct tape (get a couple rolls at dollar store). For plastic to make gaiters, ask at restaurants for empty bread bags (they are semi-sturdy plastic and restaurants toss them by the bunch, so should be glad to give you a pair). To make a gaiter slit open the bottom of the bag to get a plastic tube, pull the tube over your lower pant leg before putting on your boot, then put on boot, slide bottom of plastic bag tube down over your boot top, and tape in place. If you find the gaiter rides up and exposes your boot-top to snow intrusion, pass some duct tape "strapping" under the instep of your boot to hold the gaiter down.

- cheap food
If you go to grocery stores early in the morning when they are first setting up displays, ask the worker/manager (often the mgr **is** the person setting up in the morning) in your department of choice (bakery, produce, meat, diary (think cheese as road food fat calories), etc) what they have that is going out of date or that they really want to get rid of. Often they have product that they will be reporting to their vendor for credit anyway, and will sell to you for a pittance, since that pittance becomes profit for them. Be aware that if it is a "going out of date" item that you'll want to eat it within a day or two.

Fast food joints can be a good source of small packets of salt/pepper, sugar, mayonaisse, mustard, ketchup (enough of these thinned with water approximates tomato soup), hot pepper flakes, dairy creamer (both liquid & dry) for thickening or enriching stews/sauces, plastic flatwear (fork & spoon to go with your SAK), napkins (expedient bandage material, tinder, insulation, etc), and plastic drinking straws for making Fire Straws to start a fire, as described by The Last Confederate here on Bladeforums. To make Fire Straws:
- piece of drinking straw melted shut on one end.
- cut to whatever lenght you want. (couple inches is plenty)
- stuff it with cotton ball saturated with vaseline. (Get cotton balls & vaseline at Dollar Store. Use only 100% cotton. If you can't find vaseline, you can use other petroleum-based products like Chapstick, neosporin, or other ointments.)
- melt other end shut.
- totally waterproof, then when needed just cut off end (or better, split open a side to expose more cotton) and light.

Other sources of cheap foods can be Dollar Stores, inventory disposal stores, restaurant supply stores, and surprisingly enough some drugstores and other non-grocery-specific stores (since their bread-&-butter profit items are not groceries, they can use the food items as below-cost loss leaders). Note that the selection in these stores is often limited and is a hit or miss proposition.

Understand that a restaurant can't legally give you food that a customer didn't eat due to government health regulations.

Good news for you: Wintertime packing of items on or toward the outside of your pack creates instant refrigeration for foods prone to spoilage in warmer temperatures. :)

- a poncho plus liner
This is a multi-purpose pair that can be (if bought/made carefully size-wise) big enough to cover both you and your pack. Using polar fleece top & bottom as sleepwear and the closed cell camping sleep pad, the poncho/liner combo will suffice for moderate temp sleeping system. For poncho, beware of the vinyl/plastic ones. They are not sturdy enough for your trip. You will want one of coated nylon. The thinsulate poncho liner sold by Brigade Quartermaster (www.actiongear.com) is lighter and warmer than the issue model. However, you will be able to get a surplus issue model cheaper.

- merino wool socks with a polypro liner underneath
This combination of socks will go a long way toward keeping your feet warm & dry. Wet or cold feet **WILL** make your walk a misery. You can get 3 pair of merino socks for less than $10 by following links here: http://www.swampratknifeworks.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000992
Read this thread from the Swamp Rat Survival Forum on foot care:
http://www.swampratknifeworks.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=000027

- ranger bands
Ranger bands are cross-sections cut from a blown bicycle tire inner tube. They are typically around 1"-2" wide, but you can make them wider if you want. They approximate industrial-strength rubber-bands that you can use to attach items to your gear. Plus, rubber makes a very tenacious tinder once it gets burning. It will burn even when wet and burns for a very long time. Think about the tire yard fires you see on TV and how hard they are to put out. The long-burning nature of rubber gives you more time to dry/ignite small pieces of firewood that are less than totally dry. You may be able to get blown inner tubes for free by asking at bike repair shops, since they usually throw them away.

- keep hydrated & watch your calories
Winter saps a lot of calories just staying warm & loss through warm breath escaping. That breath also loses water vapor from your body somewhere in the 1-pint/day range. Your water consumption will have to replace that, plus other water lost through sweat (an appropriate walking pace will keep you warm, but *NOT* sweating, which is your enemy in cold weather), digestion of food (proteins especially), and urination. Caffiene also is a diuritic (sp?) that loses you water from body cells, so go light on it if you can. IIRC caffiene is also a vaso-dilator which will cause you to lose even more body heat.

Understand that each food group has good & bad attributes:
- fats have a high calories-per-weight ratio, but storage can be an issue
- proteins provide long-term energy but are harder to digest
- carbohydrates digest easier than other groups, thus providing quick energy/warmth
(some specific foods below)
- peanut butter gives you protein & fat, plus a plastic jar of it packs easily.
- honey provides quick sugar energy. It also gives mild antiseptic protection to a burn (chill the burned skin first, otherwise the viscous honey will hold the heat next to the skin = not good)
- warm tea, especially green tea (lower in caffiene concentration than coffee) will be a valuable friend gives you core warmth and liquid hydration, plus antioxidants. A dry used tea-bag makes a good bandage to stop bleeding. The mesh/paper of the bag provides a rough texture for the blood to clot against and reports indicate that there is something in the tea that helps the wound. Sorry, I don't remember what it was.

- warm up before bedtime
Eating warm food, then walking another mile or two to get your body generating internal heat will give you a build-up of heat to get you through the initial warm up of your sleeping system. It's kind of a thermal head-start for your sleeping time when heat production is lower (almost no muscular action to burn blood sugars & circulate blood/heat around your body). IME walking also helps avoid the "lump in the gut" syndrome if I eat heavy/dense food (canned beef stew, for instance) before bedding down for the night.
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Again, wishing you the best of luck with your walk. Stay safe, be warm, have fun, and appreciate the adventure of it.
 
A highly recommended book on the physiology of survival is:
"98.6 Degrees: the art of keeping your ass alive" by Cody Lundin

I re-emphasize once more the importance of using THRIFT STORES as a cheap source for gear. :) I've seen polar fleece jackets in nearly new condition for $5 and backpacks for under $10.
 
Re 'scavenging"

Tyvec (or similar) -- white slick stuff with visible fibers running through it at random if you look closely -- is used to 'wrap" new construction before the siding goes on. Most big construction sites - visited at the right time - have scrap pieces laying around that can make a poncho to keep off the rain. It is pretty tough stuff -- not as good as nylon but far better than vinyl or plastic. The (primarily) white color makes you more visable at night when walking along roads.

If not mentioned already, "three pound" coffee cans with a hanger wire bail handle are good cook pots. Place over a fire to burn off paint before using for cooking.

"Trash" abounds with disposable beverage bottles that make good water bottles.

Plastic pill bottles (more "trash") keep your matches dry.

Get a walking stick in the woods. Three "legs" are better than two and a ready support for a tarp shelter.
 
If you have to ask this stuff, then you don't have the experience to make the winter trip. It doesn't look like a good idea to me.

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Ok, now that that advice is said:

Find out if your sleeping bag is good enough, by going outside, and sleeping in it. If it isn't warm enough, better find out now. You can supplement it with some cheap, synthetic, lightweight blankets you prolly already have.

Some kind of insulation between you and the cold ground is critical. Cotton kills. Blood flow to your head is mandatory, so wear something warm on it [to prevent heat loss].

Acquire a 2 qt. aluminum pot (or heck, an empty tin can) to cook in. Find some sort of used backpack to carry your stuff in. Bring a pocket knife.

I think hitching will be an important part of this endeavor. Maybe bring a marker for making "thumbing" signs?

Good luck. I'll pray for you.
 
I really wish you Godspeed. I highly recommend a basic first aid kit with some moleskin for blisters...and you will get them on that distance. Check out Doug Ritters suggestions on basic equipment and first aid stuff on www.equipped.org OH!!! and don't forget a couple of good knives...a fixed blade and a good folder/multi tool like the Leatherman Charge Ti etc.

Please keep us posted. Now THAT's love for you.....go for it kiddo.
 
ThorTso said:
I really wish you Godspeed. I highly recommend a basic first aid kit with some moleskin for blisters...and you will get them on that distance. Check out Doug Ritters suggestions on basic equipment and first aid stuff on www.equipped.org OH!!! and don't forget a couple of good knives...a fixed blade and a good folder/multi tool like the Leatherman Charge Ti etc.

Please keep us posted. Now THAT's love for you.....go for it kiddo.

If your hitchin' and have basically empty pockets, you may well meet the local law enforcement folks. In that case, a fixed blade knife should not be BUT MAY BE a problem. I'd stick to a "scout" type folding knife - or a folder of some sort. Just my opinion.
 
Nichov said:
Did you know that the Mujahideen in Afghanistan used to hike over 20 miles through the 90-120 degree desert, and into the mountains where the temperature was as low as -10's? They wore the same clothes through the whole thing. It's amazing how resiliant the human body can be when it's well conditioned. And, my body will grow to be well conditioned with time.

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Yes, but their humidity is very low regardless of the temprature or season. This makes a huge difference in how cotton works - and YOU wiil NOT have the benefit of low humidity...
 
While everyone is correct in recommending thrift store fleece, keep in mind that fleece allows wind to blow right through it. You'll also need nylon wind pants and jacket (which are also available at thrift shops.)

If hitchhiking is allowed, I'd head South as quickly as possible, and start my actual hiking at a more hospitable latitude. Hitching rides is relatively fast and easy IF you carry a sign, and IF you look clean and respectable. Unfortunately, the "clean and respectable" part will be a tricky balance while wearing a tyvek poncho and bread bags wrapped around your legs. You gotta keep warm and dry, but you don't want to look like a bum. At least get a haircut, shave and don't wear sunglasses when trying to hitch rides.

I think this is one of the most interesting threads we've had in a long time. (I also think Nichov is one interesting guy.)

Scott
 
RokJok, you are kick ass!

Thanx for the advice everyone once again.

I have lucked out however and will not be leaving until spring, so the cold weather is no longer a huge concern. But thanx for the info because it will still come in handy...

Especially the scavenging tips, that is the thing I really needed... thanx for all your support, as I have found that many people just give me: you're going to die and I'm not going to tell you any advice beyond dont go!

It's good to hear encouraging words... this journey I have planned is likely to be a harsh and lonely one.

Anyway... I'll definately keep you all posted with regular journal-logs of my trip once I begin it... maybe even some stuff on prep before hand...
 
Well, I've done extended winter camping, and I've hitchiked across Canada a few times so heres my advice.
Don't bring a tent, they're useless unless your in bug country and winter isn't bug country. Shelter will be easier dealt with by a combination of a tarp and the snow itself. Practice now on how to make an expediant snow shelter, they're the warmest way to camp in winter.
You can bring a foam pad, and I'd recommend you do, but you can use other materials to insulate underneath (or above) you, cedar and pine boughs work well, and combined with the snow itself creates a VERY comfortable bed.
For camping in wamer regions, bring a hammock, it will keep you off the ground in case of damp weather or creepie crawlies.
Get an old leather trenchcoat for your outer layer. Leather is generally the best choice for a variety of reasons, it'll keep out the wind and it'll also keep out the fire. You do NOT want to have nylon sanded out of your flesh, and theres no other way to get it out if you have a mishap while tending the fire. You'll want a full length coat if at all possible to protect your legs.
Snowshoes might be handy, but if your going to be covering a lot of distance and the terrain isn't TOO restricted you will be better off with a pair of skis. Use snowshoe bindings on the skis though, Xcountry boots are TERRIBLE for extended use.
Polypro is probably the best layer to keep against your skin, I'd get a pair of pants, a shirt, 2 pairs of sock liners and 2 pairs of glove liners. Just alternate your socks and gloves. For boots, I'd get a pair of Sorrels (sp?) or another kind of muckluck, steel toed hiking boots will bring you nothing but grief, at least until you get far enough south.
For general tools, bring a pair of vice grips... I'll let you figure out what to use them for (hint... EVERYTHING:)) and something you can chop and chip ice with in case you need to put a hole in a frozen lake or stream.
Fishing line and a few hooks. You might never get a chance to do any ice fishing, but it's damn tough string you can use for almost anything... and if the opportunity does arise, do some fishing! :)
Its been said before but I'll repeat, do NOT bring any cotten clothing. Jeans will leave you with frozen legs in a hurry, even with extra layers.
Non survival gear, bring a FAT notebook, a few pencils (pens might freeze), a few books (bring as many as you can, and trade them along the way at any used bookstores you find, you'll usualy "spend" 2 books to get 1 new (to you) one.
Bring lots of teabags too, and boullion cubes, hot drinks are key around camp and plain hot water just sucks :)
Sorry, thats a little long winded, but I've done stuff like this before so I tend to get nostalgic :) Good luck and remember, if it's a whiteout, get between some trees... best way to ensure your not on a road...
 
You may find that in the areas you plan to cross, cutting branches off trees may get you "free" room and board - at public expense, if you get my drift.

Leather as an outer layer? Don't think so, but consult recognized authorities in books and on line and make up your own mind. It worked for folks a century and a half ago, but they had few alternatives didn't care how they smelled. If you want to hitch, I believe you need something you can wash as required.

If you're going in Spring, bugs become an issue but all else becomes easier.
 
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