Looking for a belt sander, maybe?

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I'm looking for a belt sander or something (maybe something else would be better?) for these two purposes:

1. Flat-grinding knives I feel should have been flat-ground in the first place
2. Quick reprofiling

I was poking around Sears' website and found these two:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...e=Tools&cName=Bench+Power+Tools&sName=Sanders

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...e=Tools&cName=Bench+Power+Tools&sName=Sanders

Would either of these be any good for my purposes? I'm really only looking to spend no more than $150.
 
The 2X is much more like the kind of belt grinders that professional knife makers use. The 4X is more of a dedicated wood working tool than a metal working one.

I have an earlier model of the Sears 2X42 and I've made several knives with it. The only down sides I see is that 2X42 belts aren't offered in the awesome variety that the 2X72 ones for pro machines are, and that you don't have interchangeable wheels that will let you easily grind a tight radius for finger grooves or the like.

That's a pretty good price.
 
When you say flat grinding are you talking about the edge and sharpening or the primary bevel (large surfaces).

I like the 1' belt sanders for sharpening (1x30, or 1x42). It is easier to work the angles and work around the belt. Also, I think, more of the finer belts for sharpening down into the micron grits are available for the 1". A lot of folks sharpen on a belt sander to get a convex grind. In that case you work off the platen with a slack belt. For flat grinding you work on the section over the platen. The ones you linked to are all platen unless you work with the other side.

For general shop use and making knives I think the 2" and larger size belts are popular. A 4x36 is great for de-burring metal like angle iron after a cutoff saw in a machine or metal working shop and maybe for knife making. For flattening large areas those sander would probably work well.

For reprofiling the edge like removing the shoulder the 1" sanders are great, and the way to go.

Elaborate a little more on what you want to do.
 
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When you say flat grinding are you talking about the edge and sharpening or the primary bevel (large surfaces).

The latter, I think. To clarify: the Delica (FRN), for example, is saber ground. I want to flat-grind the blade like the G10 Delica is.

I like the 1' belt sanders for sharpening (1x30, or 1x42). It is easier to work the angles and work around the belt. Also, I think, more of the finer belts for sharpening down into the micron grits are available for the 1". A lot of folks sharpen on a belt sander to get a convex grind. In that case you work off the platen with a slack belt. For flat grinding you work on the section over the platen. The ones you linked to are all platen unless you work with the other side.

As far as sharpening and rebeveling goes, the only thing I want the belt grinder to do is to reshape the bevel to a lower/higher/different angle (whatever angle I'm changing to), and then I'll finish it on my own stones. So I don't think I really need any fine belts.

So what do you think? Would the 2x42 be good for my purposes, then? Based on what you're telling me, it sounds like the 1x42 is ideal, but that one costs 3 times as much -_-
 
If you start with the proper 400 grit belt, you will only have to use stones to polish the edge. The HF sander is bottom of the line, but will work OK for what you want. The key is getting and using the right belts.
 
I would go for the 2X42, I have used a 1X30 to regrind my byrd cara cara, it isn't ideal to grind with a 1X30 but it works and gets the job done.
 
If you try to grind blades with the slack belt type grinders, you will get convex edges as they don't have platens. You can thin edges and profile blades and polish and sharpen, but you won't be able to get a real flat grind on an edge. At least, not in my experience.

I have a Craftsman 2x42, which can also run 1" belts just fine. I use it for knife making, and I like it quite a bit, but I like convex blades.

Andy
 
I don't know about the Craftsman one but all the other discussed have platens. They can be used or not. You can work over them or on the slack belt section adjacent to them or turn them around and have the whole belt slack.

The Harbor Freight 1x30" belt sander is around $40. It has a platen that you can work over for flat grinds or chose not to for convex grinds. It sounds like it would do the job. It runs a little fast for some folks generating more heat and making your mistakes bigger. Also some have reported tracking problems with the belts. This is very inexpensive, fast, small, light, and portable for a belt grinder. Many professional sharpeners use these for mobile use because they are small, portable and fast.

The Delta and Grizzly are 1x42" sanders and both have platens the run roughly half way between the wheels. You can use the slack belt for convexing or work over the platen for flat grinds. They are both bigger and heavier then the HF.

Both are better then the Harbor Freight 1x30" in quality and I think they both run slower stock. Since the motor is not direct drive to the bottom wheel, but belt drive) you can modify them with step pulleys and slow the belt down. That is nice for sharpening and not generating too much heat. You have to remove and lose the sanding disk plate to do the modification. If you go for the modification both will be around $200 when finished.

If you lean a little more toward the knife making side I think the Kalamazoo has different diameter wheels available which is nice for working different radius grinds. The one I am thinking of is about $230.

Both of the ones you linked are quit a bit bigger then any of these. The Craftsmen 1x42 says it has a belt speed of 4400 fpm. I run my delta at around 800 fpm for sharpening and maybe at 1600 FPM for reprofiling with coarser grit belts and get virtually no heat build up, no quenching required. It is very precise and manageable with the step down pulleys. It worked well without the pulleys but was still much slower then this craftsmen. IMHO 4400 FPM is to fast for sharpening for most folks especially when learning. It also generates a lot of heat with the finer grits. The Craftsmen 2x42 looks like it would be hard to change belts and work with all the shrouds (covers). I can't tell about the platen or if you can take all that crap off or not.

The higher speed would be fine for large metal removal when making knives. Some of the pro belt grinders or this one go fast but are also variable speed and can be slowed down. They also have the option of changing contact wheels to different diameters for grinding radii over the wheel, but then you are getting into the $1000 range for the grinder and another $1000 + for the motor and speed control so you are getting into the $2000 and up stuff.

I like my Delta SA180 but if I was getting one now I would get the Grizzly because the Delta is discontinued (you can still get them) and I think the Grizzly is made slightly better (it looks the same). The step down pulleys are not necessary but really make it nice to work with. My main complaint would be you can't do much work over the contact wheels because they are not exposed very much. but to step up is to go into the ~ $2000 and up stuff above. The Kalamazoo 1x42 might be an option after taking off the guards but I hear complaints about things that need modification on that one and I don't know about speed. Here is a guy sharpening on that one. He says it is a Baldor but I have heard that is just the motor because that is the only thing that has a name on it (it's a Kalamazoo). Anyway it is the same as the Kalamazoo and the sharpening technique would be about the same with any belt sander.

BTW I use more girts then he does, going for a polish, and then strop on loaded leather belts like he does. I also don't get sparks like he does. This thing is going pretty fast. The only way to step it down would be with a variable speed motor (problem like the Harbor freight) or a slower spec'd. motor.
 
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I use a 1x30 for all my grinding, I like the good variety of grits (both coarseness and media) that are available through sites like leevalley and jantz. Mine runs pretty darn fast, but I use frequent water dunks to keep blades cool.

I have used mine with appropriate belts for everything from the simplest touchups to putting the primary saber grind on a 12" machete. Not as fast or as easy to use as a typical full size (2x72") grinder used by knifemakers, but it works well enough for me.

I also use mine for all my handle shaping and other knife related grinding and sanding.
 
Thanks for the recommendations.

I take it the Delta is pretty much the same thing as the Grizzly? What is the speed(s) on it?
 
Yes, they seem to be almost identical.

The speed is 3000 to 3200 LFPM, I have been told, in stock form.

The speeds were 800, 1600, and 3200 respectively with each of the grooves of a 3 step pulley modification based on the folks that first modified it and posted on it. Since the middle pulley is 1 to 1 like the stock single pulley I suspect the stock speed is really 1600 LFPM and we are stepping both up and down with the step pulleys by a factor of 2.

Anyway, it can be slowed down to 800 LFPM with a 3 step pulley conversion. Much like drill presses come with. You manually move the belt to one of the 4 sets of grooves.
 
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I did a lot of work on my Delta SA180 before moving up to the KMG and now the Dozier grinder.



If you get one, do your flat-grinding at 120 grit and go slow with it. The belt moves crazy fast for that kind of work.

Dan
 
It looks like it would work. It is still too fast like the HF. It is twice as much as the HF 1x30". I don't know if the quality is better then the HF. You still can't slow it down, like you could with the 1x42" ones, because it is direct drive. I think if I was going to go 1x30 I would go cheap and get the HF.
 
HF has a 20% in-store discount coupon somewhere on the webz. Good until the end of May. I can't remember where I found it, but a google search should yield the proper results.

And you can take the platen off. It's fast, but if you're careful, and practice on the neighbor's cheap kitchen knives, you'll get the hang of it. It will produce very nice results when convexing, and Lee Vally has a nice assortments of girts and a good leather belt too.
 
I think I'll just save some dough and wait to get a good one that'll last me (the Grizzly + mod). Too many times before I have bought the "mediocre" product and later wished I saved for the right product.

Thanks for your help, guys.
 
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