Looking for a couple of AR's

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Friend of mine who is Chief of Police in small town has gotten the city council to sign off on buying a couple of ARs for their officers. He emailed me askign where they can get the best deal. I don't know much about the best deals on ARs so I thought I would ask you guys.
 
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BCM or Spike's Tactical are definitely good, affordable options, and may offer LE pricing discounts (probably ought to call them on that one, don't quote me). In terms of addressing the specific needs of the department, they may want to consider building their own AR's, or at least allowing the officers to accessorize the weapons to their needs (assuming the department regs allow that). Not only will they then get exactly what they want, but they will have a better understanding of the weapon (assuming the officers take part in building the guns) which may give them an edge in the event the rifle is called upon in a bad situation.
 
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kfgk14 said:
In terms of addressing the specific needs of the department, they may want to consider building their own AR's. Not only do they get exactly what they want, they will have a better understanding of the weapon (assuming the officers take part in building the guns) which may give them an edge in the event the rifle is called upon in a bad situation.
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Much thanks and that is being discussed now between the involved parties. As well as getting good training on the weapons.
 
Jeff have them contact Michigan Police Equipment.Here is there tx 517-322-0443. They do all of our weapons for our Department and give police Departments the best deals.

Hope this helps,
Mike
 
Daniel Defense are good too. BCM though, DEF. I am in the middle of an abuse test for my uncle for one. 4500 rounds so far, am still going. Spikes has good stuff too :) I like how helpful and honest they are.
 
I'd recommend Smith & Wesson. They have a new ar15 called the sport which is pretty cheap compared to most other brands and I'm sure they'll handle LEO stuff.
 
I currently own a Noveske but probably a bit high for a police department.
http://noveskerifleworks.com/

However I am looking at building one using mostly LMT parts. I have shot many weapons produced by them and thus the reason at having my own. A buddy of mine who is a firearms instructor in the military also uses one for his classes and as his personal weapon.

http://www.lewismachine.net/
 
I disagree about having the officers build their own rifles. Unless by build, you mean accessorize with lights and sights. I believe building their gun will open up WAY to much liability. Especailly for a smaller department on a tighter budget. An officer may install cheaper, less reliable parts in an effort to save money. They then could be hassled over why they needed to change out part "X" for part "Y" and so on.

As far as manufacturers, stick with the big names that have the better product and can stand behind their weapon. This opinion comes mostly from a life saving point of view and not a legal point. I would not want to risk my life on a weapon that has a shady reputation for reliability. Having a rifle from that you can count on from a reputable company is worth the little extra cost, if any.

Same thing about our knives. We use ESEE because we can count on the tool as well as the company. It might cost a bit more than others but which do you trust?
 
OMB Express police supply has some pretty good prices for LEOs on a few different brands if they end up not ordering direct from the mfr.

+1 on going with factory built guns for LEO. LEO guns usually have a beat up life in and out of cruisers, etc. Service and warranty are a big plus to have for those applications.
 
I would call BCM, daniel defense, or any other good rifle company and see what kinda base guns they could get and then customize them to meet their needs. ie rails, lights, optics


rainer arms in WA builds alot of weapons for leo's and such http://www.rainierarms.com/
 
Couldn't find the MP15 Sport on the LE page at S&W but, its on the regular page with a MSRP of $709 which ain't shabby for a new ar15 with warranty and one of the best CS in the gun business.

They estimate the street price to be between $600 and $650 bucks and that is for civilians, probably even less for LEO's.
 
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Couldn't find the MP15 Sport on the LE page at S&W but, its on the regular page with a MSRP of $709 which ain't shabby for a new ar15 with warranty and one of the best CS in the gun business.

They estimate the street price to be between $600 and $650 bucks and that is for civilians, probably even less for LEO's.
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I would guess thats because they don't make one. I imagine it's called "sport" for a reason. Take it to the range, shoot it, put it away. If it was meant to be used in the LE/MIL market they would beef it up. Not saying there is anything wrong with S&W, just saying...
 
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I would guess thats because they don't make one. I imagine it's called "sport" for a reason. Take it to the range, shoot it, put it away. If it was meant to be used in the LE/MIL market they would beef it up. Not saying there is anything wrong with S&W, just saying...
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I doubt the LEO guns differ in anyway shape or form then the civilian versions. Maybe the engraving on the lower is different classifying it as a LE weapon or something.

Anyway, if you click on the MP15 sport on their website it says it could be used for a variety of things and Law Enforcement is listed as well. I just saw the rifle at Buds Gun Shop on their website and they had it listed for $576 but out of stock. Helluva price on a complete ar15 rifle.

They however do not come with a forward assist or dust cover but, having had 7 ar15's in the last 15 years I never once used the assist, ever. Dust cover isn't as much needed in an urban environment either, probably stay locked up in the trunk of a patrol car 99% of the time anyway.

I think I'll buy one for $576 bucks. :D
 
Smith and Wesson and Rock River BOTH give discounts to LEO's and even better one's to departments for official use. I'd go with Smith because they have more mil spec parts. If he wants to supply the whole dept. Tell him to get in touch with a local military base. Some of them will donate surplus to Departments. I opted with Smith for my own weapon.
 
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However I am looking at building one using mostly LMT parts. I have shot many weapons produced by them and thus the reason at having my own. A buddy of mine who is a firearms instructor in the military also uses one for his classes and as his personal weapon.

http://www.lewismachine.net/
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Have him contact LMT's LE sales dept and see what they can do. Rock solid dependable rifles from a basic m4 style to monolithic quick change barrel set ups.

Like a few have mentioned. BCM produce bombproof rifles and Paul stands behind everything he sends out 100%. A lot of config options as well.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bravo-Company-Rifle-Carbine-M4-AR15-M16-s/140.htm

You can't go wrong with either of these companies for a 'work' rifle.
 
Best Bang for your buck on AR in my opinion is a stag.
Best training for your buck, hands down Tactical Response in Tennessee
 
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"Mil spec", a very generic term used to sell junk:rolleyes:. Kinda like attaching the word "Tactical" to a product. What makes it mil spec, do you or they even know what the particular spec is? Just because it's black doesn't make it Mil spec. (yes, I know I'm being sarcastic)

I'm not trying to bash S&W or others, but there has got to be a reason why the rifles are lower priced. You said they have cut out parts. What else did they cut out? Is the barrel any good? Chrome lined? And will it hold up to the round expectations that an officer should be putting through it.

As far as cutting out parts--there is a reason that the forward assist is there. Just because you never used doesn't mean it doesn't have a purpose. If you remember, the original Stoner rifles didn't have a forward assist, either. That was added later in the developement because they found, at times, it was needed. No dust cover? WTF? Maybe I got smoked to much as a private for leaving it open but I don't care if you work in an urban environment or not. Those rifles need it. That ejection port is exposed. There is plenty of room for debris and dirt to get in there and funk everything up. Kept in a trunk? All the stuff I ever kept in the trunk of my patrol car always got dirty.
 
I'd check out Rock River. They do some great work for good deals for a lot of agencies.
I know of an agency who got S&W and are having major issues.
 
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