Looking for a specific fighting dagger

As far as being the issue knife for the Marines, we all know that the military does not get the best- they get the best bid. Of course, the Ka-Bar is a very fine knife, but Marines, like the vast majority of soldiers, use their knives for utility work, and very few of them will ever have the opportunity or ability to willingly use them as offensive or defensive weapons.

I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with any claims that the KaBar is cumbersome in a fight, it's been killing America's enemies and doing it quite effectively since 1943. I'm not quite sure where you're getting your information other than your personal bias against the bowie design, which is fine and really all you had to say, but to say the KaBar design would be in any way ineffective is proposterous. The KaBar is time proven in fighting scenarios.
As for it being hard to remove, stabbing and removing anything into living or once living material, takes a good deal of strength no matter how small and thin. I got a 1 1/2 inch finishing nail stuck really deep in the muscle of my upper arm once and even that took a real good pull to remove. I HIGHLY doubt it really would make a noticable difference to a tough, physically fit commando.
 
I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with any claims that the KaBar is cumbersome in a fight, it's been killing America's enemies and doing it quite effectively since 1943. I'm not quite sure where you're getting your information other than your personal bias against the bowie design, which is fine and really all you had to say, but to say the KaBar design would be in any way ineffective is proposterous. The KaBar is time proven in fighting scenarios.
As for it being hard to remove, stabbing and removing anything into living or once living material, takes a good deal of strength no matter how small and thin. I got a 1 1/2 inch finishing nail stuck really deep in the muscle of my upper arm once and even that took a real good pull to remove. I HIGHLY doubt it really would make a noticable difference to a tough, physically fit commando.

I did not really intend to get into an argument here, but almost all of my knife-fighting background is from the Fairbairn school, and a handful of fighters I know who train using Fairbairn-style knives and principles. The Fairbairn-Sykes knife is a fine example of a modern knife specifically designed for killing, with no concessions made for any other function. The Ka-Bar was designed as a multipurpose field, survival, and fighting tool, which is evident in its appearance, construction, and actual use.

The F-S was selected and issued to several British commando units (including SAS, probably the world's most talented killers at the time) and OSS/CIA (who used them solely for murdering people in devious and creative ways). Because of the Fairbairn-Skyes knife's purposeful design, wide popularity, and frequent issue to killing-specific personnel, I understand that in the 20th century there were more people killed by the F-S than by any other individual knife, including the Ka-Bar. That figure probably is even more dramatic if you include other Fairbairn-inspired knives, like the Gerber Mark II and the Ek series. I wish I had a statistic to show you, but unfortunately I don't.

The F-S has a delicate, highly pointed tip designed to pierce skin and clothing with the least amount of force. The Ka-Bar has a thicker, curved tip. The F-S has a triangular "wedge" shape and diamond cross-section that makes it easy to penetrate deep and even easier to pull out of tissue (resistance actually decreases as you pull the knife out). The Ka-Bar has a straight, flat, modified Bowie shape that does not significantly increase or decrease resistance in a stabbing attack. The fuller is not a blood groove, and it does not make the knife easier to withdraw from tissue. The F-S is double-edged and symmetrical from both the front and side. It can be drawn and used in any grip, without regard for orientation. The Ka-Bar's Bowie shape requires the knife to be oriented properly before it can be used.

I suppose the differences between the two knives is most evident when you consider who uses them. Fairbairn-style knives are issued to and chosen by professional killers- OSS, CIA, and commandos whose sole use for a knife is to kill people. The Ka-Bar is issued to Marines and soldiers, who need a knife that is not only capable of killing, but also has a multifunction shape for various cutting tasks, and durable construction for prying boxes and batonning wood. The Ka-Bar, out of necessity makes compromises to be a better, more durable all-purpose knife, and it is excellent for that purpose. The F-S will be destroyed if used for anything other than stabbing- but for the specific purpose of killing people, there are few modern knives that can do a better job.
 
wow!
a dagger movie?
i do hope that all this makes a real killin' at the box office.
pardon the pun.
would it be possible to squeeze in a push dagger scene in there somewheres?
it will make the knifeman appear to be in full control of his actions, seeing that a push dagger can graphically suggests a more firmly attached dagger almost as if it is an integral part of the knifeman's hand when shot in a close up.
Just my 2 cents worth.
 
As of June `09, Mercworx had this contact listed as Technical Advisor:

Nigel Taylor
235 Main St. #287
Madison, N.J. 07940

(908)619-1013
 
The Extrema Ratio Praetorian II dagger is one of the coolest looking daggers I have.
It's now discontinued and may be a tough one to find but it's a real nice piece. :):thumbup:
 
What do you think of this one, an American made Katz Avenger ?

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SOG Fusion Fixation Double Edge Field Knife/Dagger

Kershaw Military Boot Knife

Extrema Ratio Operativo

Extrema Ratio Praetorian II
 
MercWorx will do custom work, right? Do you think they might do two or three Shivas with blackened blades for me? Also, I seem to recall that they're based in NJ (which their phone area code confirms), and that's not a far drive for me. Do you know where they're based, and whether they're okay with walk-ins?

Thank you, thank you for reminding me about this fantastic piece.

Mrpinkbullets,

I'm afraid I have no idea. I ordered one a few years back, it took about 2 months to arrive, no real communication with the dealer, not even an email saying the knife was inbound. I do remember various threads on this site if they were true "custom" since they wouldn't say who was actually making their knives, just that it was 'handmade' or something like that.
That being said, I think the Shiva is just beautiful too, pure dagger. No, not as slim as some, but its still very functional as a stabbing/slashing weapon.

If that just doesn't work, another possible suggestion would be a Gerber Mark I, I have one with a black blade, but they've been discontinued for a long time, so might be difficult to find.

Dave
 
Mrpink,

I think that black boker looks pretty good. It looks pretty "tacticool."

It's also a pretty decent dagger too I suppose. Readily available, and cheap.

Boker also sells that fake little dagger that looks pretty identical that you guys can practice with.

Practice dagger here

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Good luck,
-Richard.
 
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the ProTech Brend dagger, the purtiest stabber ever.
 
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