looking for black tanto blade with knuckle guard

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agoutihead

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hello, new to the forum.

im looking for a very particular look in a knife, and i think i should be able to find it.

i want the following... the tanto blade with serated bottom and a knuckle guard.

i also want it black on black, preferably with some type of rubber handle.

this is a knife i want to last a lifetime, so i dont want junk.

i basically found the exact knife....

http://www.knifesearch.com/images/uc784bt.jpg

except i want the top part of the blade to be perfectly straight like on this blade...

http://www.themilitarytrail.com/servlet/th...rt-Tanto/Detail

what is the best type of material to have a blade made out of? high carbon steel? stainless?

i also want the blade to be all one solid piece, from tip to bottom of the base. the knuckle guard can be added on separatly, but i want at least the blade to be all one solid piece.

thanks guys, sorry its a long rant, but im sure as you know... some of us just have to have the "perfect" knife exactly the way we want it. :)
 
oh give me a break, what kind of junk stupid knives have YOU guys bought over the years?

do me a favor, dont be a couple of asses right off the bat. if you dont have anything constructive to say, maybe you should stop hanging out on the internet and doing something more with your lives.

for those of you who want to help, thank you.

can i have a knife like this specially made? do people do that? is it genereally very expensive? i.e. at least under 200 bucks?
 
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed. :D

Sticka round awhile and you'll learn a lot. Your tastes will change and then decided on what you want.
 
no, i didnt wake up on the wrong side of the bed. but im new here and to have two people right off the bat, start bashing the knife i think is cool, when in doubt they probably have half a dozen that are dumb.

this isnt highschool guys, grow up. im here for help.

that knife is pretty cool, but not what im looking for.

ive already done research into the type of knife i want and this is it.

so can i find it already made, or should i have someone make it for me? is this generally an expensive cost?
 
there is something you must understand they are not being asses. Its just the type of knife you are looking for is just not generally thought of as a useable knife. It is a knife that seems like only a mall ninja may use. Sorry to break your balls but knives like that are usually junk.
 
You guys, newbies are more likely to learn about quality knives if their first "dumb" questions are answered in a friendly manner. Throwing mall ninja comments at them is not constructive.
 
first of all, i dont want any mall ninja junk knife. thats why im on here asking the best place to get what i want, and the best material for it to be made out of.

im also interested in having something custom to get better quality out of it.

and if you think that a knife with knuckle guards is not useful, maybe you should stop and reconsider what a knife is actually made for.

not something to just look at. its very functional.
 
i think you are the one in need of reconsidering what a knife is made for...

a knife is made as a TOOL not some super uber zombie crushing thingamajig.

the design you are looking for is not only fairly usless but illegal in something like 99% of the US.
 
and can you explain to me just exactly why you think its useless?

why are they illegal?

if things are illegal, why are we allowed to buy them?

what places custom build knives for a good price and great product?
 
If you want to look at fantasy knives go to budk.com , but for the most part they're just for looking at anyway. If you want a custom knife, try jayfisher.com it's a big website with a lot of information. Custom knives are not cheap. Some of these guys pay hundreds of dollars for production knives.
 
Why are you getting slammed?
Cause you asked for it.
Why are they illegal?
Public outcry in days gone past.
Why is it useless?
Knuckle design was used by military in WWI, but fortunately, fighting knives aren't often used for hand to hand fighting these days.

Something tells me that if you can find a maker willing to do it for you, you will have to pay alot more than $200 for a quality piece. I personally don't think it will be a good investment due to the style, but you never know. Why don't you make your own. Buy a blade you like, and cast the knucks yourself out of aluminum. I'd make them removeable so you can change them out later. Before you do anything, spend some time browsing the custom and semi-custom pics here. You might find your tastes changing.
 
i checked out that jayfisher, and he has really sweet knives, but his has a minimum of 400 starting fee.

that seems a bit much to me even for a custom knife for what im looking for.

are there any other companies who arent so fancy on the custom work that they may charge less?

i mean a tanto blade with serated bottom is a pretty easy and common style. its getting the hand grip right.

i do also want it heat treated to make it last.

can i possibly just buy the particular blade i want and have the handle changed to something else?

i could buy the following and have the handle modified (if thats even possible, sorry im new to the knife gig.)

http://www.themilitarytrail.com/servlet/the-280/Genuine-KA-dsh-BAR-Short-Tanto/Detail

it says its a high carbon steel blade... is this one heat treated? or knives arent normally heat treated?
 
I don't really see why you got slammed then. A lot of people on this forum are more into classic type knifes that look much more like a tool, not a weapon, and actually hate the fact that many companies market their knives as weapons, not tools (ie cold steel, dark ops, etc). As for the pic you posted, the only thing against it is it is a very poor quality knife, but then you joined here to learn about what is good. Eveyone here saying it is mall ninja stuff, well head over to the busse forum and have a look at some pics of the Busse argonne assault, very similar style, just high quality. Also, for many of us (me included) anything that is made by Busse is first class. My recommendation to you is to read the Busse forum on this board and be very polite, there are many helpful people over there.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=713

Also, have a look at Emerson Knives (www.emersonknives.com) and you can see some very nice folders.

A lot of people here will give you hassles if you talk up anything that looks like it was made as a weapon. There are other forums though that encourage that, (ZEDU :) ) that you may like better.

Oh and as for your question about what we have all bought, well pesonally I used to love Hibben knives (the more wicked the better) but through education I have learnt that Taiwan 420j is not the best steel of all...haha.

Good luck to you anyway.
 
agoutihead, you aren't making a good entrance for yourself. The knife you're looking for IS a mall ninja knife, no matter how expensive or nice it is. A modified/Americanized tanto blade is USELESS for anything other than stabbing- serrations will only do so much. The knuckle gaurd is also for offensive uses. The black is a sign of mall ninjasness aswell- what's the point of a black blade other than ub3r 1337 covert shtick? You're trying also trying to buy this weapon, which must meet your personal standards, for less cash than your average custom will cost you.

that seems a bit much to me even for a custom knife for what im looking for
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Not at all- the time required, a custom blade, the heat treatment, a custom (and awkward) handle, and a nice black coating will add up quickly.

it says its a high carbon steel blade... is this one heat treated? or knives arent normally heat treated?
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Yes, though most place don't specify heat treatment. However, heat treatment is pretty standard among good knives (though it can be spotty or entirely screwed up).

Why not go for a knife that will be useful, and isn't illegal to carry in most places? Knuckles are illegal in most of the US, as are large fixed blades, and double edged knives. A good folder (Spyderco, Benchmade, etc.) will have style AND function, for a very reasonable price.

BTW: whether or not you inteded to, you brought the hate upon yourself when you asked about a custom weapon. Good luck though, not everyone has an easy start, and sometimes our knife tastes grow.

Edit- the point about Busses was actually a good one. Even the Argonne Assault strikes me as a real knife when compared to Dark Ops. I guess that it's the reputation of the maker, and the fact that I've seen Busses put to the test as camp knives, throwers, etc.
 
agoutihead said:
and can you explain to me just exactly why you think its useless?

why are they illegal?

if things are illegal, why are we allowed to buy them?

what places custom build knives for a good price and great product?
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Most of us have little use for tanto blades. They are useful for stabbing, but are less useful for other types of cutting. Moreover, the "knuckle guard" on the pseudo trench knife you posted would only be used for fighting. It would get in the way of anything else you might want to do with a blade. Folks around here who study the marshall arts would recommend against this style of knife for self-defense as it does not lend itself to modern self-defence techniques.

The "Knuckle guard" on the knife you referenced counts as brass knuckles. These are illegal to carry in many states, illegal even to own in some. They are still sold because there are some states still in which they are legal. Any LEO who found this in your possession would give you grief, whether it was legal to carry there or not.


So if it is not good for hunting, not good for SD, not legal to even carry in most places, then I think that sounds like a "useless" knife to me.

You asked for some company that would make a quality blade in this style. There are no production companies that would do so. You might find a custom maker who would be willing to make one. But you would end up paying $400 - $800 for it. That seems a bit steep for a knife that will be confiscated by the first LEO that finds you with it.
 
what exactly is the ZEDU boards?

im not really interested in a folding knife at the time. maybe later after i aquire this piece.

guys, please dont try to talk me out of what i want. i know what i want and im a hard head.

so all we will do is bicker when i just need some help to obtain what i want.

and im not planning on running around the city with this thing strapped to my back. mostly a keep at home knife.

you guys all have hundreds of knives that dont leave the home, so why am i getting slack for what i want. just because you dont like it, doesnt mean i should change my mind.
 
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