thanks to everyone who commented on this thread

, I think I'll order from Jephco like a few of you suggested. I have a couple of other questions that are somewhat off topic. 1) Have any of you ever used cedar heartwood for handle material? I have a few cut, split, and heat cured chunks in my garage, and it looks beautiful when it's properly polished. How well does it hold up though? 2) I saw a design for a primitive in-ground charcoal forge online, it uses clay as insulation for the forge and a steel pipe of about an inch diameter with holes drilled in it to supply air to the coals from below. Has anyone seen or used a design like this, and if so is it worth the time of making it or are there better options for a DIY forge?