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- Thread starter Jax Yand
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Hey Jax,
I thought that SMKW had you hooked??
You do remember THIS THREAD.............Don't you??
Why don't you give them a try??
--The Raptor--
[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 04-29-2001).]
I thought that SMKW had you hooked??
You do remember THIS THREAD.............Don't you??
Why don't you give them a try??
--The Raptor--
[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 04-29-2001).]
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Hi Jax. Looks like you survived the flames from your earlier posts. Glad you decided to try again, tho obviously Raptor isn't.
I don't know a whole lot about stag, only what has appeared in the magazines lately, and a few threads on here. But, I'll let you know what little I do.
First, India sambar stag may soon become a thing of the past. The gov't has put a ban on stag sales to America, even tho the vast majority of stag is picked up off the ground -- animals not killed for it. Antlers from various other animals are being tried, tho everyone seems agreed that Sambar is far and away the best.
You're not going to find much, if any, stag on low end knives. If there are any, they'll soon be gone. The 2 best sources on the web for information about the knives they sell are the Knifecenter of the Internet and 1SKS. Knifecenter has one of the biggest inventories on the web.
To learn which knives are available in stag, I suggest you try the knife manufacturers sites. Then once you have a knife in mind, you can look for a place that has them in stock. A search on the web will provide you with far more places than I think you might imagine. Then again, most are internet sites. Not too many brick and mortar places among them, as you seem to prefer. One of my favorites, which is both brick and mortar and sells on the web is Bayou LaFourche, tho the selection isn't as wide as some other sites, it ranges pretty well.
FWIW, while I applaud your return, I do think you might consider going back to your first disastrous thread and apologizing. There are many reasons the term FNG exists, and you managed to hit most of them. If you stick around, you'll learn that the opinions of those with considerable experience, and those of the more objective type folks, and those who seem to have researched/read about a subject are given more credence than opinions based on little, no, or incomplete experience. The forums are a wonderful place if you learn how things work, before offering your opinion too boldly. While generally things are pretty loose, there are some fairly rigid points of etiquette that need to be followed, if you are to be welcomed.
My last suggestion is that you spend some time on the Good, Bad, & Ugly forum, under the Exchange group. You'll learn what experience has taught people about vendors and much more.
My $.02 worth.
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Asi es la vida
Bugs
I don't know a whole lot about stag, only what has appeared in the magazines lately, and a few threads on here. But, I'll let you know what little I do.
First, India sambar stag may soon become a thing of the past. The gov't has put a ban on stag sales to America, even tho the vast majority of stag is picked up off the ground -- animals not killed for it. Antlers from various other animals are being tried, tho everyone seems agreed that Sambar is far and away the best.
You're not going to find much, if any, stag on low end knives. If there are any, they'll soon be gone. The 2 best sources on the web for information about the knives they sell are the Knifecenter of the Internet and 1SKS. Knifecenter has one of the biggest inventories on the web.
To learn which knives are available in stag, I suggest you try the knife manufacturers sites. Then once you have a knife in mind, you can look for a place that has them in stock. A search on the web will provide you with far more places than I think you might imagine. Then again, most are internet sites. Not too many brick and mortar places among them, as you seem to prefer. One of my favorites, which is both brick and mortar and sells on the web is Bayou LaFourche, tho the selection isn't as wide as some other sites, it ranges pretty well.
FWIW, while I applaud your return, I do think you might consider going back to your first disastrous thread and apologizing. There are many reasons the term FNG exists, and you managed to hit most of them. If you stick around, you'll learn that the opinions of those with considerable experience, and those of the more objective type folks, and those who seem to have researched/read about a subject are given more credence than opinions based on little, no, or incomplete experience. The forums are a wonderful place if you learn how things work, before offering your opinion too boldly. While generally things are pretty loose, there are some fairly rigid points of etiquette that need to be followed, if you are to be welcomed.
My last suggestion is that you spend some time on the Good, Bad, & Ugly forum, under the Exchange group. You'll learn what experience has taught people about vendors and much more.
My $.02 worth.
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Asi es la vida
Bugs
Thanks Bugs3x for the reply - I'll go and do some looking around where you suggested.
As to Raptor, I'm sorry I poked a nerve with you, because you're obviously not going to let it go. I apologize for breaking the unwritten rules of this web site, and I hope that what I write here doesn't offend any one as deeply and as obviously as it has offended you. I'm just a poor schmuck looking for a good piece of stag for a good price.
Bugs, thanks for the info on the embargo - I've heard a little about it, but don't know much - anybody else know exactly what it's all about?
Thanks in advance!
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jax
As to Raptor, I'm sorry I poked a nerve with you, because you're obviously not going to let it go. I apologize for breaking the unwritten rules of this web site, and I hope that what I write here doesn't offend any one as deeply and as obviously as it has offended you. I'm just a poor schmuck looking for a good piece of stag for a good price.
Bugs, thanks for the info on the embargo - I've heard a little about it, but don't know much - anybody else know exactly what it's all about?
Thanks in advance!
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jax
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Jax,
No apologies are necessary, to me at least.
What "touched a nerve" with me was your negative comments about 1SKS over at GB&U. It's not that criticism of 1SKS should not be posted, but rather, criticism should be based on some validity. Obviously others felt very simularly as I did and they too posted their opinions.
I plan on letting this drop at this point as I don't wish to be fueding here on BFC. I enjoy this place too much. I would much rather be helping you than giving you a hard time.
As for "Just being a poor schmuck looking for a good piece of stag for a good price". I wish I could give you advice on where to go but I don't know many places that have stag handled knives for sale other than custom purveyors. And they won't be real cheap.
Welcome to BFC & see you around.
--The Raptor--
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No apologies are necessary, to me at least.
What "touched a nerve" with me was your negative comments about 1SKS over at GB&U. It's not that criticism of 1SKS should not be posted, but rather, criticism should be based on some validity. Obviously others felt very simularly as I did and they too posted their opinions.
I plan on letting this drop at this point as I don't wish to be fueding here on BFC. I enjoy this place too much. I would much rather be helping you than giving you a hard time.
As for "Just being a poor schmuck looking for a good piece of stag for a good price". I wish I could give you advice on where to go but I don't know many places that have stag handled knives for sale other than custom purveyors. And they won't be real cheap.
Welcome to BFC & see you around.
--The Raptor--
[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 05-01-2001).]
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Here is some information on the stag shortage. This info was obtained from an article written by Shirley Boser, of W.R. Case & Sons Cutlery, an published in the Jan-Mar issue of "The Case Collector" magazine.
Sambar stag is obtained naturally from the shedding of the antlers of the Sambar deer of India and then collected.
Poachers have become aware of the money to be made selling these antlers and began cutting themselves in on the governments monopoly on stag by killing the deer and removing the antlers. The government struck back the only place it could, at the docks. Every box was checked to see if it contained old antlers or antlers that had been cut off of a dead deer. In 2000, India decided to place an embargo on the exportation of stag for this reason.
At the present time, the stag situation is critical and unless the circumstances change in India, it doesn't look as if stag will be available any time in the near future. Until the ban is lifted, stag handled knives are going to be at the top of every collector's wish list.
Jax,
I hope this helps to explain the current stag situation.
--The Raptor--
Sambar stag is obtained naturally from the shedding of the antlers of the Sambar deer of India and then collected.
Poachers have become aware of the money to be made selling these antlers and began cutting themselves in on the governments monopoly on stag by killing the deer and removing the antlers. The government struck back the only place it could, at the docks. Every box was checked to see if it contained old antlers or antlers that had been cut off of a dead deer. In 2000, India decided to place an embargo on the exportation of stag for this reason.
At the present time, the stag situation is critical and unless the circumstances change in India, it doesn't look as if stag will be available any time in the near future. Until the ban is lifted, stag handled knives are going to be at the top of every collector's wish list.
Jax,
I hope this helps to explain the current stag situation.
--The Raptor--
Raptor -
Thank you - and by-gones are by-gones = nuff said. I knew everyone was trying to get something made from stag, but I was wondering what caused the shortage - now I know - good info.
Now, if I can find some Case, Buck or Hen & Rooster Sambar stag at good prices, I'll be a happy camper. Will check around my favorite sites today. Might even paruse thru 1sks.com and see if they have anything.
Thanks
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jax
Thank you - and by-gones are by-gones = nuff said. I knew everyone was trying to get something made from stag, but I was wondering what caused the shortage - now I know - good info.
Now, if I can find some Case, Buck or Hen & Rooster Sambar stag at good prices, I'll be a happy camper. Will check around my favorite sites today. Might even paruse thru 1sks.com and see if they have anything.
Thanks
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jax
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I think it's fair to say that virtually every model of stag handled knife made in this country is no longer available. There could be some in stock somewhere but that's the end of it. Some limited special production knives like the Schrade d'Holder are stag handled and quite a few custom makers still have some stag material available. The Cold Steel stag Bowie is still shipping. A few others but I can't remember them off hand. It is possible to get several European made models in stag such as Boker, H&R, Buck Creek etc. I'd suggest three things.
1. Ask not for stag at a good price but at any price.
2. Buy whatever you find because it's likely that Sambar stag won't exists again in this country.
Shop on Ebay for single items listed there. The prices are pretty high, though. I see some fairly common Case stag knives going for upwards of $100.
Good luck.
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Fred
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1. Ask not for stag at a good price but at any price.
2. Buy whatever you find because it's likely that Sambar stag won't exists again in this country.
Shop on Ebay for single items listed there. The prices are pretty high, though. I see some fairly common Case stag knives going for upwards of $100.
Good luck.
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Fred
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Jax:
The Knife Outlet is right. In the near future, stag will probably not be available in this country. However, SMKW has used it's purchasing power to buy up the last of Case's Sambar stag pocketknives and has quite a few left in stock for immediate shipment.
In fact, I just finished adding a page yesterday to announce a special on a Case Stockman with vintage stag handles. The sale price will only be available this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The web address is http://www.eknifeworks.com !
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The Knife Outlet is right. In the near future, stag will probably not be available in this country. However, SMKW has used it's purchasing power to buy up the last of Case's Sambar stag pocketknives and has quite a few left in stock for immediate shipment.
In fact, I just finished adding a page yesterday to announce a special on a Case Stockman with vintage stag handles. The sale price will only be available this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. The web address is http://www.eknifeworks.com !
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Senior Designer:
Web & Special Products
Smoky Mountain Knife Works