Looking for Sticks

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Dave Fulton

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Hi!

Does anyone know of any sources for good hard wood sticks? I'm looking for kamagong, bahi and/or molave sticks. I checked out K Williams' supplies list, but only found Canete Int'l and K.I.L., and I like to see if there are any other sources.

These sticks will be presented as gifts so it's very important that they be high quality.

Thanks.

Dave Fulton



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"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."


 
Hi Dave,

I'm in the process of producing a set of Cocobolo sticks and swords, both retailing at £25.00 plus postage and packing.

The sticks will be 28" long and approx 7/8" diameter. The swords are loosley based on Kampilans.

Let me know if you are interested.

Bill Lowery
 
Hi Bill!

Thanks for responding. 25 BPS for a SET of sticks or swords? Do you have pics of your work? When will you be ready to take orders? Would you be able to produce sticks 30" long x 1" dia., and if so how much extra would it cost? Do you know what your charges for postage & packing will be for overseas to U.S.A.? Finally, isn't Cocobolo is the same thing as Kamagong (a.k.a. "iron wood".)?

Sorry for all the questions.

Sincerely,

Dave Fulton.


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"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."


 
Hey Dave, check your e-mail I sent ya somthing!
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Vince

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Dave,

I have a Kamagong stick from Kris Cutlery. It has a very good finish, black with streaks of dark brown, 29" X 1". I use it for strength training and occasional bag work. You'll have to call them becuase they don't list their sticks in the website. They also sell Yakal(light brown hardwood) sticks. Kamagong is not the same as Cocobolo, but they are both strong hardwoods.
http://www.invis.com/kriscutlery/sandata.html

They also sell 18" Kamagong Serrada sticks.

Hope this helps,
Kelvin

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Occasionally oiling your hardwood sticks keeps them in good condition. I use teak oil for mine. I rub it in and let the oil soak in overnight. I guess it's the same as caring for hardwood furniture.
 
Last I heard, Kamagong (sp?) was illegal to take out of the Philippines... Is that still true? I was also considering buying a pair or two of the polycarbonate batons made by Monadnock or ASP; anyone have any experience with those?
 
Kelvin,

I have heard both Kamagong and Cocobolo refered to as "Iron Wood", and never having seen either, just assumed that they were different names for the same wood. Actually, I saw Kamagong recently.

Do you know what the differences are?

Thanks,

Dave.
 
Dave,

Cocobolo comes from South or Central America(if I remember right) and Kamagong comes from the Philippines. You won't find Kamagong any other place. Cocobolo is a reddish brown color. Kamagong is dark brown to black in color. Night sticks(police batons) use(or still are?) to be made of Cocobolo.

Samuel,

The only ASP I have is the expandable metal one. I'm sure the polycarbonate ones are strong.


Kelvin

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Samuel:
Don't bother paying big bucks for someone's polycarbonate sticks. Just go down to the local plastics company and get your own. Check the yellow pages under plastics. They sell it by the foot as either rods or tubing. 1" diameter polycarb tubing runs about $4 a foot. You can get a standard pair of sticks for less than $20. The tubing is about the same weight as rattan, rods are more like a hardwood. The things will last a lifetime...indestructable. They have a little more "reverb" than rattan, but wearing the weight-lifter's fingerless gloves takes care of it just fine.

Keith

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Hi Dave,

£25 BPS for a SET of sticks, £25 for a sword.

No pics yet, I've got a hunk of tree ordered (seriously!!) and I should have them available by the end of this month/middle next month.

The piece of tree ordered is 28" long. But there will be another piece available, so I'll get back to you on the extra length girth you are interested in, along with the postage for both sizes (weight).

The answers to the Kamagong/Cocobolo questions have already been answered. My understanding is that the hardwood sticks used in Eskrima tend to follow the weight path ie, Bahi, then Cocobolo, then Kamagong, depending on how much damage you want to do to your opponent :-)

Bill

 
I love all types of sticks and collected police batons at one time. Most LEO's have given up wood sticks and use the plastic types or collapsible batons made by various makers.
As far as wood ones,the vast majority were made of hickory though I've seen desert ironwood,purpleheart,cocobolo,lignum vitae in fact just about every wood you can think of. There is also a line of rattan coated in rubber.There was a guy years ago who worked in a huge power co.plant and used to make police sticks from pressed paper similar to micarta. They were just fantastic and greatly sought out. I sometimes see"oldtimers" with these and they're sometimes called "electric company sticks" because of where they were made.

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timdennis,

Yeah, I remember the days when cops used to walk the beat more than they stayed in their cars. My brother and I used to watch them twirl their wood night sticks from the leather thongs. We thought that was real cool! :-)

 
K.Williams,
I think you might have something there. When they walked footbeats the equipment carried,including stick was thought of as "personal" equipment and there was more interest and attachment to same.Since everyone is in cars maybe the LEO thinks of the baton as "car" not "personal" equipment.
Who knows? I might be full of it but it does sound like a possible reson.
Tim

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Tim

 
I prefer to make my sticks from hickory saplings. They are not perfectly straight, not exactly smooth and regular, but they are cheap and the exact length I like them. My experience with commercial hardwood sticks is that they have to be made from wood with perfect grain. Unless the grain runs straight and true, the stick will be weaker than one of mine, because I shave the stick down following the grain the entire way. My guess is that they will stand up to just about any other hardwood stick and they will shred rattan sticks.

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So does anyone know of any other sources for Kamagong sticks?

Btw, these sticks are to be presented as gifts to some students who are going to be awarded their Guro certificates, so the quality of the wood and finish is very important.

Thanks in advance.

Dave.

[This message has been edited by Dave Fulton (edited 03-20-2000).]
 
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