Lost my Kershaw Blackout need new EDC / military, ideas?

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Well it happened, in my move I put my Kershaw blackout somewhere and now it is nowhere to be found.
I was actually looking at the Boker Infinity ceramic after being AMAZED by how sharp a ceramic I recently used was, but I am just too rough on my knives and I doubt it would stand up to the abuse (there, all you ceramic haters, I already decided against it haha).
Stumbled on this site and it seems great, so I'm asking you what you suggest for an edc for me, Im a 23 year old 2nd Lt in the Marine Corps, I've owned a Kershaw vapor which I liked and then the blackout which I really liked, so Im looking for something in that size range, really liked the assisted opening, prefer some serration as well, composite grips etc. Oh and needs to be around $100 or less, I am young and in the military i.e. not a ton of disposable income.
I dont really know anything about blade steel quality etc. Also what is the benefit of drop point vs tanto vs recurve vs whatever?

I'm not averse to getting another blackout, but I wouldnt mind a change either so let your suggestions fly.

Thanks
 
I'd get with a Waved Emerson CQC-7, it's a little over 100 bucks. Some other options would be a large Benchmade Griptillian or 710, Spyderco Military or Manix. Also the Buck/Strider 889 is a heck of a knife for around 50 bucks.
 
My suggestion to you after a few years of being in the military is the:

CRKT M16-13M - Great every day beater, cheap at around $50, so you could have two knives and if you find one cheap enough, you could spring for...

Benchmade Model 530 ($65) - Think, light, good size blade, Axis Lock, and good steel

or

Kershaw Leek ($40 Leek - 80 Random Leek) - normal Leek is small and good for just cutting. The S30V Random Leek would hold up a little better in the field.

Go to knifeworks, newgrahamknives, or firststopknifeshop (1sks.com) for comparing and purchasing...

Either way, I would seriously consider these three knives. If you have to pick only one to beat up, I would go with the first one. It has been to a lot of places with me in military and it's still running like I am...

Good luck sir,
Spc. Ryan Cleary
U.S. Ohio Army N.G.
196th MPAD
 
Thanks for the input, what about how some people dont like the plastic spacers Benchmade uses?
 
Also I stumbled on a site that sells Benchmade automatics for military / police use, anyone have any experience with these?
 
I think you would love a Kershaw SG2 Blur. REAL NICE! Read STRs Review. GOOD LUCK! Kevin:)
 
Also I stumbled on a site that sells Benchmade automatics for military / police use, anyone have any experience with these?

An auto (full size) Presidio model 5000 or a Mini-Rukus (auto 6150) would be an awesome choice. Both are Axis lock, good steels (154cm-s30v), and hand filling sized. I've got the Presidio and am waiting for a special Mini-Rukus. These knives would last a long time and do well for you.

But they're a bit more expensive than the Blackout was, and over your $100 limit although Knifecenter.com has them at pretty good prices.

And I'm waiting for Kershaw to come out w/ the Blackout in Sandvik steel before I pick up another one.
 
I'd go with the Blur in SG2, orthe slightly older model in S30V. Either is a functional, well made assisted opener with excellent to super blade steel, strength, reliability, and all the other necessessary qualities needed. They come shaving sharp. Joe
 
I've got the Presidio and am waiting for a special Mini-Rukus.

rnr do you mean you have the auto Presidio? How is the safety on the automatic, and how long do the springs generally last?

Also I know its a newb question but could someone give me a basic run down of the top quality steel types and the benefits of different blade types, tanto, drop point, recurve.
Thanks
 
My auto Presidio is old enough to be pre-safety, so I haven't seen what or how it works. Springs do break, but I've flicked mine a jillion times and it's still as quick as ever. If you're military, BM will fix it for you.

Benchmade has a page that describes steels and blades etc.

So does Spyderco . Just look around each site.

I know Emmerson or someone else has info too, but I can't remember what the site is right now. Some one else may have the link. But these'll get you going.
If you're not careful you'll become a knifeKnut like us. :)
 
Well it happened, in my move I put my Kershaw blackout somewhere and now it is nowhere to be found.
I was actually looking at the Boker Infinity ceramic after being AMAZED by how sharp a ceramic I recently used was, but I am just too rough on my knives and I doubt it would stand up to the abuse (there, all you ceramic haters, I already decided against it haha).
Stumbled on this site and it seems great, so I'm asking you what you suggest for an edc for me, Im a 23 year old 2nd Lt in the Marine Corps, I've owned a Kershaw vapor which I liked and then the blackout which I really liked, so Im looking for something in that size range, really liked the assisted opening, prefer some serration as well, composite grips etc. Oh and needs to be around $100 or less, I am young and in the military i.e. not a ton of disposable income.
I dont really know anything about blade steel quality etc. Also what is the benefit of drop point vs tanto vs recurve vs whatever?

I'm not averse to getting another blackout, but I wouldnt mind a change either so let your suggestions fly.

Thanks

Welcome aboard. I can give you my two-cents from here in Iraq and a long time knife user / collector and a little over 19 years in the Army.

First, I would avoid the ceramics, if you're going to use it in the field it will get plenty of impacts and I wouldn't want to take the chance of it breaking...that's just me.

Before I start suggesting brands and models, I'll give you my take on the whole blade profile and steel question. First, my folders are cutters, not prybars or screwdrivers. I do keep a mini crowbar in my patrol pack and also carry a leatherman. Tanto blades will give you a little better strength for penetration. Benchmade's Stryker is a pretty decent cutter for a tanto blade, and one of the few I'd recommend. Recurve blades are okay, but require a little more attention when sharpening; you typically get a bigger belly and broader tip, however the Benchmade 710 has a pretty good balance as opposed to Emerson's Commander, which has a very pronounced belly and broad tip. Drop points are good, and even some upswept (I guess, bowie-like) tips are good for most tasks, but many are not robust enough for any major penetration.

I'm not a big fan of partially serrated knives, but they can be useful for those that need them. I personally carry a dedicated serrated blade in my Leatherman so my main folder is strictly a plain edge.

Automatics: Well, I've used them and own a few. They're "neat", but over the years, I've found a one-handed opener just as convenient. In fact, I can get a "waved" Emerson or Spyderco opened faster from the pocket then I can my AFO or Microtech. I just don't think the money is worth the automatics, unless you have a specific need or desire. For the money, I would just look for a better manual folder.

As for steel, I would say (for me) AUS8 is a good user but probably as low as I would go (I think 440C is a step up). I like D2, ATS34, 154CM, S30V...all are good performers with minor differences in stainless properties. Typically, the more "stainless" you go, the knife will not stay as sharp for very long; however knives with less carbon are easy to sharpen vice higher chromium/stainless knives which are typically harder to sharpen. I'm no steel expert, but there are plenty of metallurgy-geeks here to provide the break down-percentages of all the various ingredients and their properties.

What I'm using over here in Iraq (I brought plenty to play with):

Benchmade Rukus
Emerson CQC-12
Emerson CQC-13
Emerson CQC-8
Benchmade 710 (D2)
Spyderco Military (plain and fully serrated versions)
CRKT 21-4
Zero Tolerance 0300
Benchmade AFO
Kershaw JD II

What I typically carry is the Military and an Emerson (CQC-13 or 8).

Under $100? I would take a look at Spyderco's Endura (I prefer the Military, but for the price the Endura is a great performer), plus you can get the "waved" version; there's some excellent Benchmades just over $100; Kershaw (as you already know) makes some good users and than I would look at CRKT (aluminum handled only), Cold Steel (Voyager series of lockbacks) or SOG. I know Ontario and Ka Bar both make folders, but I don't have too much experience with them. Also, Buck has some decent designs and does good heat-treatment on mediocre steels to get the best performance for the buck out of them.

Locking mechanisms could be a whole other post, all I would say is that the Benchmade Axis lock is robust enough, the lockback has been around a long time and is pretty well proven, finally the liner-lock...decent design, just sometimes poorly executed and you need to stay with reputable makers for a reliable locking knife. CRKT does have an additional safety mechanism on their liner locks.

Hope that helps a little,

ROCK6
 
I'm not a big fan of partially serrated knives, but they can be useful for those that need them.

Thanks for all the information first of all. Why dont you like dual blades? With my blackout it did seem harder to sharpen the serrations, but they also seemed to stay sharper than the rest of the blade. Then again I also didnt have the best sharpening set up. What do ya'll (Im from New Orleans) suggest about dual vs regual straight blades and the sharpening of said knives?
 
Also, obviously I see a ton of people recommending the BM 710, but not so many for the mini-ruckus. Both seem great to me, but 3.9" blade length for the the 710, seems a little big for an edc
 
Thanks for all the information first of all. Why dont you like dual blades? With my blackout it did seem harder to sharpen the serrations, but they also seemed to stay sharper than the rest of the blade. Then again I also didnt have the best sharpening set up. What do ya'll (Im from New Orleans) suggest about dual vs regual straight blades and the sharpening of said knives?

It's more of a personal preference for me. Nothing wrong with a combo blade if it fits your needs, I just prefer a plain edge and if I need a serrated blade I have my Leatherman or I usually carry a second knife (Spyderco Military, fully serrated) that's serrated for tough chores.

If you do go the combo route, make sure you get the little Gatco triangular pocket sharpener...it'll do both the straight and serrated edges.

ROCK6
 
Thanks for all the information first of all. Why dont you like dual blades? With my blackout it did seem harder to sharpen the serrations, but they also seemed to stay sharper than the rest of the blade. Then again I also didnt have the best sharpening set up. What do ya'll (Im from New Orleans) suggest about dual vs regual straight blades and the sharpening of said knives?

Ever since I got the Spyderco Sharpmaker, sharpening serrations has ceased to be an issue. In fact, sharpening serrations is easier than plain edge on the Sharpmaker because you only use the corners of the stones, not the corners and flats.

I also want to say it's great reading the posts of the military knife users deployed in theater. Not many of the rest of us depend on our equipment as a life and death issue, and it's fascinating to see what the warriors use, and why.
 
Also, obviously I see a ton of people recommending the BM 710, but not so many for the mini-ruckus. Both seem great to me, but 3.9" blade length for the the 710, seems a little big for an edc

Actually the BM 710 is pretty compact and one of the smaller packages for such a large blade. All my Emersons and the Spyderco Military all dwarf the 710 even though the 710's blade is a tad longer. It's quite deceiving as far as physical size goes.

ROCK6
 
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