Lots of anger in other forums

I need to talk to Mary soon. She got word it did not appear to be walking pneumonia as we thought, but a condition related to keytones and acid. I don't know yet if she meant acidcidosis or what. Related to Diabetes? We'll get the scoop. It was my impression from her that the condition was not strictly diabetes related.

This will fuel those of you who want to believe his time had come. His time had come- he left us, that is obvious. I still think the stubborn **** could have gone to a Doctor and dealt with this. !!!!

But who I am to argue? My own doc is hounding me about BP and diet. I mean, a diet of peanut butter, bread and cheese; what's not to like?

munk
 
I was seeking wood of a particular species in south-central Ohio.

Having no luck, I asked a lady in an antique mall if she knew where I might locate a "Sourwood" tree. She directed me to the operator of a canoe livery nearby. He didn't know, but called his wife who teaches forestry at O.U. She didn't know but gave me the number of an Indian lore expert. He sent me to the Naturalist at Hocking Hills State Park. He knew!

So here I am, walking in the woods at 7:00 A.M. The sun just angles through the canopy. Dew glistens like diamonds on the sparse grass and on spider webs. There are three does -- surprised to see a two-legs about so early. Up go the "flags" and off they bound. And I see wild turkey (They cluck like chickens!). A Piliated woodpecker follows me for two miles -- just curious I guess. Cardinals are all over the place. The chipmunks sound their alarm calls. And there is the fallen Sourwood with the "water sprouts" the naturalist told me about. ("If any of the Rangers give you any grief, tell 'em Quackenbush said its OK.")

When I return to my campsite in the park, my neighbors, who I haven't even met yet, have made extra breakfast for me. As I eat, one of their dogs (quite old) sniffs me over, curls up on my feet, and goes to sleep.

Life can be so good.
 
munk said:
I need to talk to Mary soon. She got word it did not appear to be walking pneumonia as we thought, but a condition related to keytones and acid. I don't know yet if she meant acidcidosis or what. Related to Diabetes? munk

If your blood sugar is not well controlled you can go into ketoacidosis. Potentially it can kill you. Although the symptoms would probably make somebody call an ambulance before it did. My friend says it's like you kind of go crazy and all your joints feel like somebody is pounding on them with a hammer. Also it can eat away at your organs.

"Cell damage from acidosis can lead to severe illness or death. Improved therapy for young diabetics has decreased the death rate associated with this condition. However, it remains a significant risk in the elderly and in people who fall into a profound coma when treatment has been delayed. "
 
I'm angry because I was so busy having a good time with te MWKK here, I forgot to talk Tom out of one of the sprouts...

As for Rusty...well...I don't always take my BP meds either.

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Nasty said:
I'm angry because I was so busy having a good time with te MWKK here, I forgot to talk Tom out of one of the sprouts...

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Uwinv, Tom cut plenty for all of us, thanks again Tom!!!! :D What size do you need? ;)
 
Now I'm angry because Tom already took away my excuse for being angry by offering to send me a piece Edutsi...

Next to find a piece of Catlinite to continue with.

Got a lot of great people here...what an honor to be a part of it!

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I peek in the Cantina and the INFI Hog's forum from time to time. Lest anyone be scared by the spastic poster, it is all in jest ;).

Trying to find a HI khuk for my PT hunting :)
 
What's a PT? What do they eat? Are they overunning your neighborhood?

I noticed your byline said you were a gopher hunter. They hunt 'gophers' all over the Rocky Mountain West. They're actually ground squirrels. No one likes them. They dig holes, change drainage, eat crops and each other....



munk
 
Nasty said:
Next to find a piece of Catlinite to continue with..

Uwinv, I'll have to look but I may have a chunk of Pipestone laying around not being used.;)
Or at least a suitable piece of Soapstone like the Cherokee often used for Pipes.:eek: ;) :D

Nasty said:
Got a lot of great people here...what an honor to be a part of it!

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Yup.:D :cool: :D
 
munk said:
What's a PT? What do they eat? Are they overunning your neighborhood?

munk
Munk my friend SHS may be refereing to the obnoxious Phu*ktard often found in a newbie's guise posting strange and obnoxious sh*t all over the forums. Kind'a like the resident one we had here for a while that hasn't stuck his dumbass head up for a while. He *Knows* I'll post his personal information so maybe he won't bother us anymore.:grumpy: ;) :D
 
post deleted for alledgedly expressing repressed rage towards Hogs???? and for being politically incorrect and insensitive towards radical muslims ;)
 
about this the other day. Hostility runs rampant on message boards across the net. It's also all too common on the highways. It always amazes me, the way people drive. Last week some yay-hoo came into our lane and almost sideswiped us. When the Mrs. honked at him he gave her the finger, like SHE was the jerk who didn't know how to drive. It's really hard to hang onto my moment of Zen at times like that. I read a piece that talks about this, I don't remember if I've posted it before or not. Anyway, here it is...

"BORED?
These words rain down on the upturned faces of the insane, the fearful, the sick, and the exhausted. We are speaking to the people; the people know their symptoms. Alienation, technoboredom, neurosis, and frustration are not diseases of an unlucky few, nor even of the many. They are built into the structure of this society, twisting beggar and businessman alike, spitting them out like shards from a flawed machine, anemic shadows of human beings.
We do not profess to be immune. We claim only to have given some thought to the problems which affect all of us. This project is a desperate attempt to fill the unfillable void created by the conditions of existence in consumer culture -- that gap in personality, the yawning but never sleeping of the work-leisure cycle, always one step removed from the immediacy of experience. And if, by our meager example, we inspire even a few people to re-examine themselves and their world, to find out what their lives could be like, then we will not have failed entirely.

How many people do you know who feel trapped where they are? How many of your friends have sworn to kill themselves or die trying? How many have you seen burning with that nameless fever -- fingers closing around whatever's closest, desperate to kill the pain, then, unsatisfied, dropping it to find something better? Do you really think this is natural human behavior? Do you really believe that a healthy society would create such dysfunction among its members? Trust us, friend, these aren't problems you can solve with higher taxes, or by drawing peace symbols on your blue jeans, and it's far too late to simply scrap everything and "go back to the basics." To overcome, you need to shift your perception.So there you are, staring out at the world through bugging, bleary eyes, "entertained", getting your buttons pushed, but always restless. You're in slow-motion death on your feet, and you want to know what the hell we intend to do for you. Well, just putting up flyers isn't going to fix it. We know that. But we're trying to help. To solve any problem, you first have to know what it is. The real wound runs much, much deeper than the come-and-go "issues" in the media arena; it's the arena itself which must be redefined . We can't do it ourselves. What we are trying to do is change the way other people look at the world, because it's people who ultimately make the system what it is.

Sound cliched? Just remember this: the decisive point which determines the quality of existence is the point of interaction between the individual and society. It's not all in your head -- the universe is quite real, despite all philosophy to the contrary -- but neither is the world quite the same for any two individuals. Our individual perception shapes our experience of a very real world, and the bumps and jostles of life shape our perception. Only a sturdy bridge between mind and matter -- or indeed, the realization that they're one and the same -- yields the proper balance. And only through significant interaction with other humans can that bridge be strengthened. There are many forces at work, but it is here that the doctors must shine their light if they want to find the tumor. Interpersonal relations: the frictional surfaces between one person's awareness and another's. These surfaces have grown flat and impassive as distrust, fear, and the lust for commodities have become standard modes of interaction, so that all we have to offer one another is an inventory of products and hobbies, draped in a sort of cynical self-consciousness.

FRUSTRATED?
Listen, your life can be an incredible and satisfying thing, but there are forces at work which deny you that. They make you bored. They make you hate yourself. They destroy your ability to find fulfillment in yourself and other people. They sell you cheap plastic substitutes for the REAL THING.

For all our bitching, though, we're with you. We have no easy solutions. There are none. The choices are escape -- be it through drugs, suicide, or madness -- or struggle. We choose the latter, hoping that struggle itself will at least dull the pain in a non-self-destructive way. We are not Puritanical, we are pissed off! We want to be able to indulge our primitive desires. The difference is that we see the options for indulgence presented by this culture as inherently and deliberately unfulfilling. We have all been raised to be anxious and dissatisfied consumers, constantly in search of the right "fix". Well, Abrupt isn't buying any of it. At the very least, we hope to create an awareness of some of these problems, and perhaps give hope to people who currently just survive from day to day.

Do you think? That is, are there ideas in your head that are at least partially your own? (And even a creative synthesis of old ideas is better than repeating the same old commercial patter minute after minute.) Then make it move -- find the words or the motions or the bodies that can carry your thoughts into the steam and whistles of the real world. It's doesn't help much sitting in your head -- take it to the streets! Spray-paint stencils of cryptic symbols, ornament trash cans and cracking sidewalks, leave a message in a bottle with your address in it, sing in public restrooms, scratch your words on school desks and playgrounds, singe their skin with your molecular love, put up hundreds of flyers anonymously, make loud Doppler-shift sounds as you pass people on the street, or lace bank windows with shaving cream question marks. At every moment a million possibilities lie open, beckoning the explorer to break the patterns that trap and enchain, to find new ones that drive back the darkness.

We adhere to the credo "Make your mark heavy and dark.' (Plus the qualifier, "If you must erase, erase completely.") It seems that beneath the bureaucratic blandness and psychic trauma of our high school years was a call to action, an ontological rallying cry for those frantic souls out there who despaired of finding their voice. Make your mark heavy and dark. Be decisive. Know when to stop planning and act, and be ready to defend your position. Realize that you can't please everybody, and use to your advantage the prejudices of those who disagree with you.

CONFUSED?
Sure, everyone is responsible for his or her actions; you can't just run away. But that responsibility is the price you pay for freedom -- and that's not the freedom to buy any brand of shampoo you want. We're talking about the freedom to set your sights higher than the school-work-nervous-breakdown cycle that most of us find ourselves in. Ask yourself, are you a hamster, or a human being? Do you dare to step off the treadmill and run amok in the pet store? If nothing else, it can be fun. And dangerous. But more importantly, you might learn to twist your perception enough to see the window, and the world beyond the pet store. It's a world much bigger than you could ever see in its entirety, much stranger than drugs or God or UFO's, but it's there. It's already around you right now; you've just forgotten how to see it: even as mass communications and transportation have made our planet seem a thousand times bigger than before, our private worlds have atrophied. Perception has been narrowed to a single dim point, experience has become an alternating parade of "stimulation" and frustration. We have memories, but our memories no longer tell a story. We have voices, but we have nothing to say. The struggle to survive no longer inspires us to transcend mere survival, so that at the moment of our greatest technological achievement we have become emotional infants, floundering in a pool of frustrated desires and failed illusions. Still, all is not lost. There will always be a demon in the human spirit, an animal raging in its cage. It can only be beaten or anesthetized so much before it gets fed up and breaks out, dragging its owner to either prison or Paradise. The nature of its restraints will determine the nature of its escape; as things stand now, most options for real animal passion are devastating, not to mention illegal. Rape, suicide, murder: symptoms of constriction, the starved Animal blindly feeding itself into extinction.

These are not the only options. There are healthier ones, and they need not take the form of sudden outbursts or compulsions. No, under healthier conditions, the release valves would be built in to our daily lives. Not a sudden seizure of hate, but a million tiny outlets would appease the monster inside us, or at least keep its rage in balance with its beauty, so that each of us would harbor a proud tiger, and not a rabid, mangy dog.

Defeatism is seductive, it's true, and despair beckons at every corner when you look at what has been done to us over the past several decades. But total despair is useless, because it just reinforces the feelings of helplessness which you've been taught from day one. The only solution must start with the assumption that existence need not be miserable, and with the knowledge that the current state of affairs is relatively recent. Instead of giving up in any of the billion ways that you are told to give up, take an active role in pursuing life's potential for intensity. Fight the pall of laziness and helplessness that weighs down on you all day long. You owe it to yourself to struggle.

GET MAD!!
Think about some of these things we've said. You'll have to, since we can only tell you so much before we run out of words. It's up to you to figure out what your own strengths are, and what exactly is wrong with you. Perhaps you will find out there's much more wrong with you than you thought. Perhaps not. Just remember that this life is yours, and if nothing else, you deserve a shot at living it well. Do you believe this? Then begin making your plans today. "

Sorry. That was pretty long but I think it hits the nail right on the head.
Frank
 
Thank You Frank!

Clearblue; this forum is allowed to push the envelope because we can take it, because we're honest enough to figure out what's just happened and to make something good out the hard thing known as life. I think your post was disturbing- mostly because it appears in a thread about anger and hostility and what we can do to help one another. There was a deliberate intention to wallow/celibrate morbidity in your post. I hope that's not where you are. I'm not going to edit, I'm not doing nutin. But I'd ask you to think about the not so deeply repressed rage there, and the incongruent reference to Muslims. The Muslim reference was an insult to that faith in the context of this thread.

I'm glad you're here and glad you appreciate HI forum. As you do, and you're a member of this community, then you know a responsibility to uplift, not soak up the darkness. I've been there, we've all been there. I don't want to see this fine thread go there.


munk
 
Every thread has it's own reality. Apparently I've been killed in one dimension, but am still alive and heavily armed in another.



munk
 
Hmmm. A thread where I'm tall and handsome, my memory is intact, my mind sharp, the ladies adoring, and a public ready to read my newest book.....

That'll never happen. Maybe I should hope for a good tasting burger.



munk
 
munk said:
Every thread has it's own reality. Apparently I've been killed in one dimension, but am still alive and heavily armed in another. munk/QUOTE]

Facinating thought. One philosophical shift I made after the 5 heart bypasses and cancer, virtually back to back, was from being self centered....believe me, the old ego was pretty tattered at that point...to being other centered. Focusing on the physical and emotional well being of several hundred teenagers each year has greatly reduced the anxiety over what happens next to me. Watching kids grow spiritually far beats watching yourself decline....there is nothing original here...I got the ideas direct from the Bible and my beloved Zen ( no I don't see a conflict ). Many years ago, while serving search warrants on dope houses in Detroit or parachuting into labs in S.E.Asia or S. America, I had a 'It's Me or them' attitude. Having made the mental switch, I'm probably a lot easier to live with.
 
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