the only way you can get a loveless is at a show or from a second hand source...although he and jim might have a lot more knives at the shows than they used to...the bottom fell out of the japanese market for them... they used to make the trip once a year with about 100 knives and come back with about a 100 grand.....no more.......be prepared to pay at least 800 for a drop point and a lot more for anything unusual......