luminox watches

Originally posted by icarian
orginally posted by bobHWD


Bob, are you trying to pull me into this:D No disagreement. The watch distributed by MB Microtech now is obviously NOT the same spec as "navigator" watches (besides the different atmospheres each is rated to, I can "feel" that the Marathon isn't as durable as my other two tritium watches). I compared the Sandy to the Luminox "watch face" only in the visual aspect in my previous post. As far as the "tie in" you mentioned, I think I indirectly commented on that by calling them "idiots" along the same lines.

later,
Glenmore
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Hello Glemore,

I'm serious as a heart attack... Both the Marathon composite Navigator and Stocker and Yale P650 were made to the EXACT same specification. In the last year of the SY P650's production, Marathon and Stocker and Yale split the government order 50-50.

The contract was drawn up and both watches were to be made to the EXACT same specification - Type 6.

What I am saying is true, and there are plenty of documents to back up what I say.... If you don't believe me, you should ask this very same question on a Military Watch site.

Bob
 
Originally posted by icarian
orginally posted by bobHWD


Bob, are you trying to pull me into this:D No disagreement. The watch distributed by MB Microtech now is obviously NOT the same spec as "navigator" watches (besides the different atmospheres each is rated to, I can "feel" that the Marathon isn't as durable as my other two tritium watches). I compared the Sandy to the Luminox "watch face" only in the visual aspect in my previous post. As far as the "tie in" you mentioned, I think I indirectly commented on that by calling them "idiots" along the same lines.

later,
Glenmore
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Glenmore,

You got me all fired up on this so I pulled up the Military Qualified Product List of Watch Wrist: General Purpose Under the MIL-W-46374 Specification.

On this list are the

1) Marathon composite Navigator - Manufacturer's designation 211/Test AR-67-93/Type 6

2) Stocker and Yale SANDY P650/Test AR-66-93/Type 6

The Type 6 specification:

WR to 5ATM
+- 15 seconds per month
Illumination guaranteed for 25 years
Cases made of composite fiberglass
Climate tested to -50 /+140
1 Jewel quartz movement

Government order to be split Marathon/Stocker and Yale

I am in possession of hard copies of all supporting documents.

Bob
 
Bob,

I'll explain as nicely as possible--your getting "fired up" over a non-issue...we are talking two SEPARATE watches. Two watches are the Sandy 650 (you keep referring to) and the Luminox that is currently on my wrist (watch I am referring to).

what I said on my previous post was:
The watch distributed by MB Microtech now is obviously NOT the same spec as "navigator" watches
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Neither of my posts argued (whatsoever) specs of ISSUED Sandy or Marathon as being a dive watch--NEVER.

Happy to have helped get the heart beat up (I think?) :)

later again,

Glenmore
 
Originally posted by icarian
Bob,

I'll explain as nicely as possible--your getting "fired up" over a non-issue...we are talking two SEPARATE watches. Two watches are the Sandy 650 (you keep referring to) and the Luminox that is currently on my wrist (watch I am referring to).

what I said on my previous post was:


Neither of my posts argued (whatsoever) specs of ISSUED Sandy or Marathon as being a dive watch--NEVER.

Happy to have helped get the heart beat up (I think?) :)

later again,

Glenmore
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Glenmore,

By "fired up," I meant that you got me to digging through my documents. Not "mad" or "angry." Ok... I am not sure what watch is on your wrist. Maybe I should have made it clear. The P650 as produced by Stocker and Yale, and the Luminox "NAVY SEALS" watch, is essentially the same exact watch - except for a few cosmetic differences. The case and tolerances are the same.

Bob
 
Originally posted by BobHWD
The P650 as produced by Stocker and Yale, and the Luminox "NAVY SEALS" watch, is essentially the same exact watch - except for a few cosmetic differences. The case and tolerances are the same.
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What nonsense!
You can argue that they both meet Type 6 requirements but you certainly can't prove that they're the same quality.
For a start, Type 6 requirements are incredibly loose.

I can build two watches out of composite fiberglass and make sure that they're both WR to 5ATM but then with one watch I can go steps further.
On one I could chamfer all edges.
On one I can install mineral glass.
On one I can mirror polish the back.
On one I can take the WR well past 5ATM.

Now the watches are both still Type 6 and they still have the same tolerances but the same quality? No way!
That is the point I suspect Glenmore was trying to make.
The Stocker & Yale is a far superior watch to the bottom of the line (Navy Seals) Luminox.
 
Sorry everyone else, appears we're hijacking the thread to discuss... but hey we're/I'm talking about Luminox;)

Bob, I do not know about the Sandy P650, nor have I made assertions about the Sandy except that that my converted Luminox's dial now looks like the Sandy of old (said this in my first post). Only assertion that I have made about a Sandy except to respond to direct inquiries.

If the Sandy is as you stated and is much like one of my Luminoxes or a Traser, then it "must" be rated to approx 660 ft or 20 atmospheres--the Luminoxes are. My Marathon Navigator's Watch is water resistant to only 6 atmospheres...approximately 200 ft. Once again, as for the Sandy 650, I have NOT disagreed with you--I have strictly been talking about my Luminoxes. If Cammenga ever gets off it's collective butt and starts making them, maybe I'll be able to discuss an S&Y clone a little bit better (not likely).

I do agree with you that the Navigator is not a dive watch--never said that it was (never stated differently on an 650 either--not my discussion)...actually said that it wasn't as rugged as my Luminoxes. Generally, watches that are water resistant to 200 meters are classified as dive watches. As stated, mine have held up superbly in this regard.

Glenmore

p.s. sorry if I misinterpreted that you were "fired up"...two emails back on something that I wasn't really discussing made me assume. I know "assume makes an..." Best wishes.
 
Originally posted by icarian
Sorry everyone else, appears we're hijacking the thread to discuss... but hey we're/I'm talking about Luminox;)

Bob, I do not know about the Sandy P650, nor have I made assertions about the Sandy except that that my converted Luminox's dial now looks like the Sandy of old (said this in my first post). Only assertion that I have made about a Sandy except to respond to direct inquiries.

If the Sandy is as you stated and is much like one of my Luminoxes or a Traser, then it "must" be rated to approx 660 ft or 20 atmospheres--the Luminoxes are. My Marathon Navigator's Watch is water resistant to only 6 atmospheres...approximately 200 ft. Once again, as for the Sandy 650, I have NOT disagreed with you--I have strictly been talking about my Luminoxes. If Cammenga ever gets off it's collective butt and starts making them, maybe I'll be able to discuss an S&Y clone a little bit better (not likely).

I do agree with you that the Navigator is not a dive watch--never said that it was (never stated differently on an 650 either--not my discussion)...actually said that it wasn't as rugged as my Luminoxes. Generally, watches that are water resistant to 200 meters are classified as dive watches. As stated, mine have held up superbly in this regard.

Glenmore

p.s. sorry if I misinterpreted that you were "fired up"...two emails back on something that I wasn't really discussing made me assume. I know "assume makes an..." Best wishes.
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Glenmore,

I know what Luminox says their watches are rated to. I am not so convinced. The Luminox in question (The Navy Seals), does not have a screw down crown. I happen to have a water resistance tester here. I think I will buy a couple off of ebay and see what they will really withstand.

As for me, I do dive, but I would not dive with a non-screw down crown watch.

Bob
 
Rluebb,
I've had nothing but good service from my watch. Check your email!
Matt
 
The steel SEAL series does have a screw down crown. Thankfully it also does NOT say Navy SEALS on it.
 
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