Those were the ones I was thinking about...
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Machax Feedback...and New Coating
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Those were the ones I was thinking about...
Nope, I think I'm correct...
And I never mentioned Camilus made ANYTHING ,did I???
The older knives I was thinking about were the older Cinci / BlackJack made knives.
But thanks for trying to do my thinking for me.
It must be a heck of a burden for you.
Since you talked about a 1/4" thick Machax then that would be a Camillus era since none of the rest are that thick. No problem on the thinking part. One of has to and apparently I am better at it.
Really?
NONE of the Machaxes made prior to Camillus were 1/4 thick?
Are you SURE about that?
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I did check.
And besides , not everything in the data base is 100% correct.
+ CinCinn #20: 0.2180 thick (phosphate coated) and 17.0 ounces
+ KaBar 2012: 0.1950 thick (with smooth coating) and 12.75 ounces
My 2012 KABAR made Machaxe weighs 15 ounces-not 12.75. And my digital scale is right on the money.
Bladite & freinds have done a great job compiling all of that info but even he would admit mistakes happen and its virtually impossible for everything on that thread to be 100% correct. Which is why asked Skystorm if he was SURE about the thickness on all the early Machaxe blades..
There were so many permutations of Becker blades early on I find it hard to believe there never were any pre- Camillus Machaxes made that did not have 1/4" thick blades especially during the Blackjack era. Maybe Ethan can chime in and give me a solid NO on that. Since he actually had them all made and Skystorm did not.
+ CinCinn #20: 0.2180 thick (phosphate coated) and 17.0 ounces
+ KaBar 2012: 0.1950 thick (with smooth coating) and 12.75 ounces
HOW can the Data base be "spot on" you yourself admit that all your Machaxes weigh 15 ounces?
The data base says 12.75.
No scale worth using has a 2.5 ounce weight variation.
I'm sure in your world, that's close enough.
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You gonna let him get the last word ?
Dangit you guys made me look the first entry in the db says 15.2oz, but later it says 12.75. If you look at the later entry he was sketching the blade with the scales off. There is a 2oz difference in the cinci's weight also. I would suppose the later weights are sans scales. Fwiw my fpr ka bar is 14.8. Course it's minus some coating and has had some steel sharpened off. I believe the db remains unscathed....
Eta shoot it says right in it he weighed the nekkid blades...
the first entry in the db says 15.2oz, but later it says 12.75. If you look at the later entry he was sketching the blade with the scales off. There is a 2oz difference in the cinci's weight also. I would suppose the later weights are sans scales. Fwiw my fpr ka bar is 14.8. Course it's minus some coating and has had some steel sharpened off. I believe the db remains unscathed.... Eta shoot it says right in it he weighed the nekkid blades...
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+ CinCinn #20: 0.2180 thick (phosphate coated) and 17.0 ounces
+ KaBar 2012: 0.1950 thick (with smooth coating) and 12.75 ounces
HOW can the Data base be "spot on" you yourself admit that all your Machaxes weigh 15 ounces?
The data base says 12.75.
No scale worth using has a 2.5 ounce weight variation.
I'm sure in your world, that's close enough.
I'm sure in your world that you skip over the first reference of the weight being 15.2oz.
o KaBar Era
oo Shape: clip
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 9.375 inches
oo Overall length: 14.6875 inches
oo Blade thickness: .200 (about)
oo Knife Weight: 15.2 oz
Just so you know, that is Bladite weighing his machax with his own scale.
Lonewolf..
Duly noted. but in my world that STILL does not mean the obvious error elsewhere 12.75 oz is not there DOES IT?
No matter who's scale it was weighed on.
I did read it.
And I have no disagreement with it. A much more plausible explanation than "scale variance".
FWIW you seem to be the only person who's posted on this page not doing so merely to start and argument with me over minutia or dogpile.
Thank you for that.
It's refreshing.:thumbup:
And I have no disagreement with it. A much more plausible explanation than "scale variance".
FWIW you seem to be the only person who's posted on this page not doing so merely to start and argument with me over minutia or dogpile.
Thank you for that.
It's refreshing.:thumbup:
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Cool thread.
I love my Machax.
Won it in a contest that Moose held, and convexed it to boost performance a little.
I haven't ever used the other Becker choppers, but I can say that my Machax works well for me, and has been one hell of a farm tool.
NY, I'm glad you like your Machax.
I love my Machax.
Won it in a contest that Moose held, and convexed it to boost performance a little.
I haven't ever used the other Becker choppers, but I can say that my Machax works well for me, and has been one hell of a farm tool.
NY, I'm glad you like your Machax.
And thanks for helping the thread cb... it needed pix....
He can have the last word since he seems to be the type that craves it. Too much work to do to worry about arguing on the interwebz over ounces with someone who can't be bothered to read before opening their yap.
Sky,
That's a really "adult" post on your part. WAY to keep it civil. Bravo.
The funny thing is- anyone with a brain reading this thread could say the same exact thing about you.
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And as an adendum here Sky,
Courtesy of Doc CANADA (because I asked for the info)
He says his Cinci made Machaxed Mics 7/32 of an inch.
Because I TOO can read before I "open my yap"- HERE is where I got the imrpession that at least SOME Cinci made Machaxes were a full 1/4" thick..
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/823720-Machax-what-s-the-deal?
A quote from about three posts down on that thread-
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MACHAX SURVIVAL TOOL
Modern interpretation of the classic Gurkha Kukri
Staff Evaluation
"I want a tool I can use for everything - chopping and whittling as well as a froe, hammer or pry bar," explains Ethan Becker, president of Becker Knife and Tool Corporation which makes the Machax Survival Tool and a similar knife called the Warrior.
"It is not the best hammer, but the flat can be used for one if needed. It is not the best pry bar, but it works. In its primary uses, chopping and hacking, please note that when it hits it hits dead. There is no 'machete wrist' from vibration! You will be able to use the Machax for quite a while before your wrist hurts." One of our guys took a Machax out in the woods and in four hours with the Machax as his only tool he built and thatched a roomy lean-to shelter for two people, a fire frame and reflector, two pieces of camp furniture and stocked the camp with firewood - and no machete wrist.
"Note also the differential grind on Machax which has more of a slicing angle on the inside of the curve to more of a chopping and splitting angle closer to the tip. We are, I think, the only people who sharpen down close to the grip on a tool like this so that it is easy to use for close-up work."
The heavy 1/4 inch 4140 chrome-moly blade of the Machax borrows the unmatched weight distribution of the Gurkha Kukri knife (which itself is a variation of an ancient design), combines it with fine American steel, full tang construction and Zytel scales large enough for a good working grip. Weight is 20 ounces.
The 4140 chrome-moly steel is moderately heat treated, giving it a very tough nature. It can be quickly sharpened using a file, stone or rock if need be. It will rust, but it has a rust resistant phosphate finish except for the edge. A little oil will help prevent corrosion. If the scales or blade are ever broken, BK&T will replace them without question - provided you didn't do it on purpose. We tried out the Machax in a bamboo thicket and on several types of dead and live trees and heavy brush and found it to be excellent.
The Machax can be purchased with fine black leather or nylon sheath for $129 (either sheath alone is $25) from Becker Knife & Tool Corp., Dept. ASG, P.O. Box 44179, Cincinnati, OH 45244; (513) 231-9446. Ohio residents add 5-1/2 percent sales tax. Also available at better cutlery dealers.
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As it appeared in American Survival Guide magazine - January 1989
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Courtesy of Doc CANADA (because I asked for the info)
He says his Cinci made Machaxed Mics 7/32 of an inch.
Because I TOO can read before I "open my yap"- HERE is where I got the imrpession that at least SOME Cinci made Machaxes were a full 1/4" thick..
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/823720-Machax-what-s-the-deal?
A quote from about three posts down on that thread-
QUOTE-
MACHAX SURVIVAL TOOL
Modern interpretation of the classic Gurkha Kukri
Staff Evaluation
"I want a tool I can use for everything - chopping and whittling as well as a froe, hammer or pry bar," explains Ethan Becker, president of Becker Knife and Tool Corporation which makes the Machax Survival Tool and a similar knife called the Warrior.
"It is not the best hammer, but the flat can be used for one if needed. It is not the best pry bar, but it works. In its primary uses, chopping and hacking, please note that when it hits it hits dead. There is no 'machete wrist' from vibration! You will be able to use the Machax for quite a while before your wrist hurts." One of our guys took a Machax out in the woods and in four hours with the Machax as his only tool he built and thatched a roomy lean-to shelter for two people, a fire frame and reflector, two pieces of camp furniture and stocked the camp with firewood - and no machete wrist.
"Note also the differential grind on Machax which has more of a slicing angle on the inside of the curve to more of a chopping and splitting angle closer to the tip. We are, I think, the only people who sharpen down close to the grip on a tool like this so that it is easy to use for close-up work."
The heavy 1/4 inch 4140 chrome-moly blade of the Machax borrows the unmatched weight distribution of the Gurkha Kukri knife (which itself is a variation of an ancient design), combines it with fine American steel, full tang construction and Zytel scales large enough for a good working grip. Weight is 20 ounces.
The 4140 chrome-moly steel is moderately heat treated, giving it a very tough nature. It can be quickly sharpened using a file, stone or rock if need be. It will rust, but it has a rust resistant phosphate finish except for the edge. A little oil will help prevent corrosion. If the scales or blade are ever broken, BK&T will replace them without question - provided you didn't do it on purpose. We tried out the Machax in a bamboo thicket and on several types of dead and live trees and heavy brush and found it to be excellent.
The Machax can be purchased with fine black leather or nylon sheath for $129 (either sheath alone is $25) from Becker Knife & Tool Corp., Dept. ASG, P.O. Box 44179, Cincinnati, OH 45244; (513) 231-9446. Ohio residents add 5-1/2 percent sales tax. Also available at better cutlery dealers.
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As it appeared in American Survival Guide magazine - January 1989
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