Machete discussion

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Machetes may be low end in the sword area but you can get a decent long edged blade for a small cost and i thought there should be a category about them.
I cut and pasted the following paragraph from an earlier post and will write more after it.
I'm new here..... so Hi Everyone!
I got hooked on a machete fetish buying spree over a year ago and have bought over 30 individual brands/types/styles/lengths. Actually about 45 total machetes if you count duplicates. I'll limit my comments to the Cold Steel for this thread. The Kukri is great in the shorter version, but the Magnum is longer and heavier and unless you have a super strong wrist, you won't be able to do a lot of cutting. I find (considering the thickness and weight of the blade) that the 18 inch Latin is about as long as you would want for actually doing work for any period of time. Some other brands have thinner blades so the length could be longer to use for work. I do have a 21" and 24" Latin and seriously the 24 may look inpressive but try swinging it 1 handed for a while. The CS All Terrain Chopper is a beast of a blade and needs the 2 hand handle it comes with.. would be impossible to use 1 handed. I'm not a small guy nor a giant.... 6ft 205 lb. The Cutlass is very nice... long blade, decent feel, and D handle... if you want a cheap single edge sword type weapon, it's nice. Their Bowie machete is too short to be much of a machete, but with a good edge is like a Bowie knife on steroids. My fav CS machete is the 2 handed Latin......choke up on the handle and it feels like an 18"... with 2 hands you can swing it like a baseball bat and probably chop a ball in 1/2. I sharpened the back side of the blade also so it's an awesome looking weapon. Be sure to get the 21" sheath with the shoulder strap... much better than trying to walk with something that long attached to your belt. I do like CS sheaths and use them for all types of brands. If you're going to put a razor edge on a machete and try to use a canvas sheath with maybe 2 or 3 rivets and play for the blade to move around... the blade will cut right through it. CS sheaths hold the blades fairly firm... maybe you won't get a 1/10th of a second draw time in an emergency but you won't get a trip to an emergency room to stitch your leg up if the blade goes through the sheath. If you're going to use a machete... swing sideways, NOT up and down... if you put an edge on it and it goes through something too easily, the blade may end up in your leg. Trust me on this one! Well that's my comments on CS machetes... except.. i have many other CS knives and they all come with very good edges, but the machetes need a little work to fix the "less than desirable" edge they come with.

I have bought various machetes made by Tramontina, Imacasa, Promedoca, Marbles, Collins, El Miura, Incolma, Barteaux, Truper, Mondial, and Corona. I will buy eventually but don't have yet anything by Ontario, Condor, or Esee. Everything i've bought with the exception of Marbles come with a poor edge that needs improved and i've put better edges on everything. Marbles comes with a pretty good edge and a couple of theirs i have left alone but a couple i went a little better. Some of these brands take an edge fairly easy and some never quite make a great edge. I have some newer Tramontina which are supposed to be 1070 steel and they get a decent edge, but i also have an older Tramontina( i'll guess 40+ yrs) that is painted red and has a sticker label(this is all original) that is much better steel than the newer stuff.
Barteaux & Sons, Oregon USA.... I have 2 D handle machetes by them, one was a 26" blade and 1 is 22". The 22" i got recently and haven't done anything with it yet. Bought both used on Ebay fairly cheap, The 26 has about a 3" wide blade and about 1/8 thick or more.... this blade was made for Sasquatch to swing... way too heavy. I cut it down to 18" and gave it a sharp point and is much easier to swing. The 22" i haven't got around to doing anything with it but will probably also cut the blade down to 18 also. I have read comments about Barteaux D handles lasting longer than Ontario's but i don't know since i don't own anything from Ontario yet.
Collins (Legitimus Collins) i've read about the company history but can't find anything about when the Collins/Nicholson machetes were first marked with both names. I know of Nicholson as an old time file and saw maker. Anyone have any info? As for the machetes... i don't think the newer ones compare to the older stuff.
At least 20+ yrs ago at a flea market i bought a knife from a guy for 10$..... he said it was an old cane knife, like for cutting sugar cane, but now i think it could be called a corn knife also. He said it was made from a car leaf spring that was straightened , but i doubt it was a car... maybe a horse buggy spring since it's thin and narrow. The blade is 17" long with about another 6 1/4 for the handle. I do believe it was some type of leaf spring since it's thinner at the tip and gets thicker and as it reaches the handle it starts getting thinnner again. The blade is only 1 1/4" wide so i kind of doubt it was a car... maybe a buggy... just a guess. It had no markings and a wood handle that was slightly loose. I dipped the handle repeatedly in Permatex Color Guard ..... a rubbery coating that shrinks as it dries. The coating is still intact and the handle is still firm. It has to be some type of spring steel........... it takes one heck of an edge and holds it very well!!!! This is by no means a heavy weight blade being about 3/16" thick as it reaches the handle and about 1/16 thick at the tip, but a 1" diameter live maple limb can be severed with a "ting" sound from the blade. I have lots of machetes but this one is maybe my fav or at least #2.... very light and with the heavy handle, very easy to move. I could take a pic but all you would see is a dark blade with a blue handle
Anyways, i would like to hear any comments about machetes and what you think about different brands. Maybe i can answer some questions but i'm sure there others out there with knowledge and if we share, we all know more.
 
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Cold Steel machetes have a good design, but the steel is softer than most and will bend on heavier targets if you aren't careful.

I have the two handed kukri and the new Kopis. IMO, the Kopis leaves a lot to be desired in the cutting department. It's more of a cut/thrust type weapon, and my Gerber Gator I used to have easily outcut it by a long shot.

The two handed kukri, is a beast of a thing. It's not all that heavy, but it's rather dense for it's compact length. I've use that thing to cut through a green tulip poplar about as big as my leg at the bottom of my thigh. That's about a 4" diameter sapling, severed in one stroke. Given, tulip poplar is softer than pine IMO, but that's still extremely great cutting power.

The factory edges always suck on the Cold Steels, but it's nothing that can't be fixed :D

I plan on getting a Condor Golok as my next purchase. They use better steel, and temper them to a higher hardness.
 
I've been looking at CondorGoloks on Ebay for a while and i've only seen people selling 2 models... one with an 11" blade and one with a 14" blade. I don't know if they make one with a longer blade and i would prefer to buy one with a longer than 14" blade, preferably 18".
 
I recently bought a cs kukri machete, just the one handed version, and it was ok out of the box sharp! I put a razor sharp edge on it and want to test it out soon...
This is my first machete buy and i would like to know if it will be reliable? I know its full tang and the handle seem comfortable, the steel is decent but not top quality. Any thing to add is good info
 
I like the CS Kukri and the original edge isn't bad, but i also prefer a shaving edge and it's not hard to put one on it. It's a nice short tool/weapon and and my only complaint is the sheath which i would prefer not to have to undo 2 snaps to get it out, but i don't see any other way to make a sheath for this style blade that would keep it snug without snaps. CS Also makes a Gurkha Kukri which is styled very similar but has better metal (old models in Carbon V or newer in SK-5 or San Ma, not sure if they still make it in Carbon V) and a LOT highr price.
There is a discussion about CS machetes bending in use and it's in Manufacturers Forum, Cold Steel Knives, and called Machete Steel Likes To Bend and it might be of interest to you to find it. They aren't saying they bend like a piece of wet cardboard, but under heavy use. CS uses 1055 for their cheaper machetes, some other makers use 1070, 1075, or 1095... the higher last 2 numbers, the higher the carbon. As with most things, there is no perfect for everything metal... sometimes harder is more brittle.
If you are looking for another machete, i suggest going on Ebay and do a search for "machete" and look at a lot of pages of listings to see some of what is available. Before buying anything, make sure a sheath is included... many sellers don't include a sheath and you may have to get that from another seller. For a Latin or straight type machete, i like the CS sheaths and you can get one for an 18" about 8.50 with free shipping. One brand of machete that might be worth looking at is an 18" Marbles. They are painted orange, use 1070 steel and come with a decent edge. They come with wood handles and some have wire wrapped around the handles. You can pick up an 18" with wire for about 23.00. I've looked at just about every Ebay listing with machete in the title for the last 6 months and have seen a lot of blades.
As for your qestion about the Kukri being reliable... for the price i think it's a good value. Hope this helps you!
 
I prefer the Ontario USGI. I have a couple of them; one has seen a lot of heavy use for over 20 years. They aren't very sharp fresh from the shop, but can be made as sharp as a razor with a little work.
 
In reference to the machete picture link... Looks a lot like an Incolma 27" that i have or rather had before i modified it. The Incolma was decent steel but not very thick, so at that long length the blade was floppy side to side. I cut it down to 18" and gave it a sharper point. I also have a shorter one same style by the same company that has either a 22 or 24" blade.. without going to measure it i'll say it's probably 24". I haven't done anything to change that blade length yet... it is kind of floppy but not as bad as the 27" was. One thought that crosses my mind about this style of blade is that it looks like the handle is on backwards but i know that is just the way it was designed with the backside larger to add weight. Seems to me if they reversed the blade, you would have the same weight, but gain a curved cutting edge on the main side. I put a total edge on both sides of these 2 machetes. I don't have any by Collins in this style blade so i can't compare "floppiness" at such a long length. I'm not sure how much 30 Pesos is in US$ but sounds like you got a great bargain!
 
Hey guys,

Not to peddle product here but last year I got the idea to create an extremely high performance machete. I started making them about two months ago and have been blown away by the performance. They are heavy machetes designed for hardwood forests and have great chopping power in addition to brush clearing ability. All the customers so far have been very happy with them and I just thought Id share for those of you who are interested in high performance machetes!

They're 52100, differentially hardened with a 58RC edge. 17.5 inch blade, 23.5 overall and either .108 or .135 thick.

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The pic of 4 blades on a wood pile... what's the price of the 2nd one down without a sheath? No offense but i don't care for your sheaths... seems twice as wide as they need to be and i can get a Cold Steel sheath for 8.24 total cost that would fit it and not be as wide.
 
No offense but i don't care for your sheaths... seems twice as wide as they need to be and i can get a Cold Steel sheath for 8.24 total cost that would fit it and not be as wide.

Not a fan of Kydex, eh?
Strong, won't get stabbed through, and with many attachment options.
There's a reason people often go with that type of sheath.
 
Just got my 1st Ontario machete this week... 8515 a D handle 18" blade so here's my thoughts on it. It's thick like Cold Steel machetes so i would suggest not going past an 18" blade unless you have a super strong wrist or only want to make 1 or 2 swings. The edge is OK but way from shaving sharp, so a beter edge is needed. I have right now about 10 machetes that need better edges and i probably won't do any edge sanding for a couple months. I'm in the middle of a very cold spell and sharpening tends to fill the house with an oxidized steel smell. I'll probably wait till spring and take a table outside and do sharpening in the back yard. I use a Delta 1x 30 belt sander with either a 220 or 320 grit belt, then swipes on a ceramic rod, then swipes on a long leather chunk stapled to a longer board. If you go on Ebay and do a search for "surgi sharp" there's a video on the auction that's similar to how i do things except he uses a moving belt of leather. the leather belts they sell tend to stretch with use and my belt sander has very little adjustment to make up for stretching.
As for buying a new 1x 30 belt sander... BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!
My Delta has been used for over 10 yrs now but they no longer make it. If you search all possible markets for a 1x30, all you will find is junk. Harbor Freight has a 1x30 for $39 and the reviews are bad.... wheels being oblong, belt loose at full tight. We have a HF store in this town so i bought one and the belt that came with it was loose when running centered. You could tighten it but it made the belt move to the right and sand the frame of the machine. I tried my belts from diff makers and had the same results. I figured if i covered one of the 3 wheels in a layer of tape, then i could take up the slackand solve that problem. Also this model has 4 rubber feet and when i got mine home and took it out of the box, 1 foot was missing and the whole machine wanted to flop lopsided. I took it back the next day and exchanged it for a similar model. I took it to the car and checked it out before leaving the parking lot. The exchange had 2 rubber feet missing, so i just got a refund and gave up on their Central Machinery brand. there is also a Rikon on the market that looks like the Harbor Freight and has hit and miss reviews. Grizzly seems to be similar, so unless you can find an old used Delta, 1 x30 is dead now. There are some 1 x 42 belt sanders out there... Kalamazoo which is basically a Baldor motor connected to 2 wheels and an almost 300$ price and a couple of Jet 1 x 42 in the 400$ range. If anyone has any suggestions, i would like to have a second belt machine to save changing belts.
Anyways as for the Ontario, i haven't ground it yet to improve the edge so can't say how easy it is to sharpen. Ontario is 1095 and 1070 for Marbles I did get 2 Marbles 18" blade machetes this week with wire wrapped handles. So far Marbles has the best edge from the manufacturer and some i have left as they were and some just need a quick touch up. The wire wrap adds a little thickness to the handle, but the wood will never break and fall off and the wire wrap adds much grip in the direction of swing... harder to slip out of your hand. the Mables is thinner metal than the Ontario but i like the lightness of the Marbles... easier on the wrist to swing for a long time.
 
If i would buy his blade, i have no desire to spend $20-30 on a sheath i don't like when i can get one i do like much cheaper.
If your blade is out of the sheath, is getting the sheath stabbed through a real concern?? HA HA HA
 
If your blade is out of the sheath, is getting the sheath stabbed through a real concern?? HA HA HA

If you aren't just trolling, here's the answer:
A sheath is about keeping the blade from poking/cutting out while it's IN the sheath.
A studier material keeps the blade inside it better...which is why no one makes a sheath out of paper.

Get it?
 
Today i ordered a Condor Parang machete which is kind of similar to a Golok but longer... the Golok is about 14" blade and the Parang is close to 18. I'll have it some time next week and will give my comments since i've never bought a Condor before. I do have some Imacasa which is the parent company and Condor was to be their premium line. The Imacasa i have i would rate as poor quality steel and i hope the Condor line is better.
 
If you read what i wrote when i started this discussion, i did mention about sheaths and sharp machetes cutting through and i am not affiliated with Cold Steel and i prefer their sheaths. The CS sheaths hold machetes fairly tight and i have other sheaths from diff makers made of canvas or nylon with a few rivets or no rivets and i can see them failing in the first hike through the woods.
TROLLING??????????
I started this discussion because i wanted opinions and 1/2 of what has been written here is from me.... who are you to ask this????
 
I myself can understand the use of a kydex sheath for a machete if its going to be carried on long camping trips with alot of hiking involved but i went even cheaper than a CS sheath. I got a 22 or 24 inch imacasa which do not come with sheaths and did some googling about getting or making one. Some oiled cardboard and duct tape are enough to hold it firm while clearing horse trails. I have no illusion about it being a tough sheath, its not, its mainly to keep it from knocking against things it shouldnt causing scratches(truck doors etc) or damaging the edge of the machete when its off my belt sitting in the back of the truck with other tools.

In reference to cs sheaths failing in one hike becuase they have no rivets, likely not. Ive used the same cardbard and duct tape machete for 2 years now covering miles of horse trail with nothing but some abrasions on the tape from hitting branches while walking and from being piled among the other tools.
 
Today i ordered a Condor Parang machete which is kind of similar to a Golok but longer... the Golok is about 14" blade and the Parang is close to 18. I'll have it some time next week and will give my comments since i've never bought a Condor before. I do have some Imacasa which is the parent company and Condor was to be their premium line. The Imacasa i have i would rate as poor quality steel and i hope the Condor line is better.

Imacasa makes the Marbles machetes in addition to Condor, and use the same steel and heat treatment. It's very good steel and heat treatment both, so I'm curious as to why you think the steel poor. Imacasa makes, without a doubt, the finest worker-grade machetes on the market.
 
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