Machinist Career

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I have come to a point wehre I need a career change and since my passion is knifemaking I feel that machining is the way I want to go. I know there are a few machinists here and I was wondering how to go about making a living. I would love an apprenticeship and I believe myself to be a good apprentice. Just wondering the best way to go about this.


Thanks
Jon
 
Most folks I know have gone to school to become machinists. Sometimes its the right factory job that can eventually get you in the tool room and then trained as a machinist.

Your best bet would be to check out classes offerd at your local comunity college.
 
+1 on what Will said, go to a trade school, but be prepared to move for a job, the good ole US of A is currently De-Industrialising, My family (my great pappaw through me and my brothers have all been machinists. Once it gets in the blood it sticks Good luck bro!
 
Hum... I feel like I should add my two cents, but I'm afraid I might get some change back...

The great heyday of machinists standing in a row at Bridgeport mills talking shit with one another and cranking handles and cutting chips has passed. Today you see a lot of "button monkeys" because what industry really demands today is someone who can zero out a fixture, tweak diameter offsets and change cutters when necessary, and the old school machinists who can calculate a pitch diameter, set a gear hobber and perform a layout with sine plate and gauge blocks are largely gone. Old crusty fellows covered in layout die and wearing overalls grinding lathe tools have largely been replaced by computer geeks in slacks holding p-pap papers... Feh...

If you're interested in getting into the shrinking field, you should look into your states trade school programs. Be aware there is a difference between having a "machining certificate" and being a journeyman machinist. The folks at your trade school can explain it to you.

Nathan the grouchy machinist who crashed a cutter into a work piece today scrapping two days of work and catching major hell for it Machinist.
 
Jon,

There are still apprenticeship programs out there, the carbide tool manufacturing company I used to work for had one and probably still has. It took 4 years, work and school roughly half and half. They did have a high attrition rate, but you were guaranteed raises at certain points if you made the grade, and at the end you were set up to be an area leadman and close to if not at the top of the pay scale. The guys rotated through every area of the shop during their training from the scut work of prep to new CNC grinding centers, even shipping.

If you find a program ask about the completion rate, commitment to the company after completion, what happen if you don’t complete the program, non-competition agreements, and I’m sure the other will have other things to look at. That company wanted, iirc 4 years after finishing or they would come after you for some portion of the training cost. I don’t know what happened to the 50% plus that quit or failed. I also don’t know if the apprentices had a non-compete, there are no other similar shops in this area, but the company had some trade secrets, so that could limit ones choices.

Todd
 
Nathan, my cousin says when you run the tool holder into the jaws real fast it is worse. I am sure it bums you out and if you are like me. You are harder on yourself than the boss was. Everyone blows it now and again. But, I am sure you make them way more than you cost them. I also figure I can never waste as much money as the engineers do. Jim
 
The great heyday of machinists standing in a row at Bridgeport mills talking shit with one another and cranking handles and cutting chips has passed. Today you see a lot of "button monkeys" because what industry really demands today is someone who can zero out a fixture, tweak diameter offsets and change cutters when necessary, and the old school machinists who can calculate a pitch diameter, set a gear hobber and perform a layout with sine plate and gauge blocks are largely gone. Old crusty fellows covered in layout die and wearing overalls grinding lathe tools have largely been replaced by computer geeks in slacks holding p-pap papers... Feh....

Unfortunately, for the most part, I think Nathan hit the nail on the head. I also noticed towards the end of my shop days, "apprentices" being more specialized in what they did, or were being taught to do, like just running surface grinders, drill press, etc., or............ just pushing the green button,.............. or, in the case of what is described below......

Nathan the grouchy machinist who crashed a cutter into a work piece today scrapping two days of work and catching major hell for it Machinist.

The big round RED E-STOP button :D :D :D ROTFLMAO :thumbup: :thumbup: ;)


There are still apprenticeship programs to be had, but, like Nathan said, not as readily available as they once were. Check out some Injection Mold Shops for a good, well rounded program. Not where they run the molds, you'll probably end up learning repair in places like that. Check out shops that specialize in just making the molds, dies, etc. Check with them every week, at least once, to let them know you're serious. And sweeping the floors and cleaning the toilets is something you shouldn't be too proud to do to get that foot in the door. In fact, where I did my apprenticeship that was always the new apprentices job......... the toilet part :grumpy: I did it .... proudly :) And those puppies were clean ;)
 
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Chunk of aluminum: $40
6" SGS SKI-CARB End Mill: $500
Programming, setup & machining: (censored)

Entering "50" instead of "750" into the cutter diameter table:
Priceless...

My f*ck up:
fuckup.jpg



Dave,
Things happen pretty fast at 600 IPM. Unless that big red button is wired directly to the sphincter muscle, sometimes stuff just happens ...
 
Chunk of aluminum: $40
6" SGS SKI-CARB End Mill: $500
Programming, setup & machining: (censored)

Entering "50" instead of "750" into the cutter diameter table:
Priceless...

My f*ck up:
fuckup.jpg



Dave,
Things happen pretty fast at 600 IPM. Unless that big red button is wired directly to the sphincter muscle, sometimes stuff just happens ...


I'm glad somebody understands. I don't do the programming, so I guess I'm more of a button monkey, but we cut parts out running between 900 and 1100 ipm at the cabinet shop. Just love it when they crash the router into something and the boss says "didn't you stop it?"
 
I'm glad somebody understands. I don't do the programming, so I guess I'm more of a button monkey, but we cut parts out running between 900 and 1100 ipm at the cabinet shop. Just love it when they crash the router into something and the boss says "didn't you stop it?"


Heh heh, button monkey. I love that... :D


About a year ago I wrote a program for a mat on the Onsrud feeding at 1800 IPM (no joke! had to use a custom 4 flute and a .035 chip load!) and it was moving so fast that it managed to erase three out of the four pop up pins (That I forgot to retract) before I got it stopped. It rapids at 4000, I just try to keep out of the way...

To put this in perspective, the maximum feed rate for my little retrofit mill is 40IPM... sigh...
 
After 30 years I still love it. Being a machinist isn't what it used to be but now 90% of what I do is maintenance machining and prototypes. Still do that here and not in china. In other words everything is "RUSH". Good luck. Paul
 
oooo 6" e-mill ? Ouch ! I'll bet that almost sounded like a train wreck in the shop :eek:

About the e-stop. I hear ya. I don't even know why they put that on the control. There's never time to hit it. And when there is, it certainly isn't the first thing you think about. ;)
 
Now that I think about it all the machinist at our plant are over 40 and many over 50. But, when I look around the whole maintenance department is the same way. My crew of 6 has one guy under 50. It amazes me that as this countries infrastructure ages so does its craftsmen. So few of the young want to learn the trades and have the dedication to do so. What is going to happen when all the good ole boys retire. The machinist here rebuilt pumps, compressors, turbines, valves and the like. You can near give them a broken anything and and the can repair it or built a new one. Much of our equipment is either old, rare, expensive. We have a huge machine shop with about 6 lathes, a couple verticals, a couple mills and big drills. 1 CNC cabinet machine. Most of our stuff is way big. I am sure they all make at least 75k a year, with excellent benefits.
 
If you can find a small shop with a few guys in it is were you will learn the most. I also recommend going to school to learn the basics first. I went to school and worked in a shop at the same time. I like machining but when you have days like Nathan did you wonder how it can be worth it. And some wonder why it costs so much to do precision work.

Nathan, I have never done anything like that before:D:D
 
I am afraid the old days are gone. All the big precison machine tool companies like Cincinnti Mill and Brown & Sharpe are gone over seas or just shadows, The leaders in machine tool technologies is Asia now, My Dad in middle age was transfered into the tool room at Texas Instruments and made Master Tool Maker very shortly, but only because he had an all around good apptitude and general knowledge. It used to take a lot of math, triginometry and stufl, yes sine bars and micrometers. Frankly, if you yearn to be a precison tool maker, etc, that day has passed in North America. With the impeding collapse of the North American auto manufacturing sector, that vast capacity will disapear. 'Used to be that here was all sorts opportunities for a enthusiastic lad. If you want to be a precison tool maker now you need a degree in Computer speak.
 
Interesting topic. I started my career many moons ago in a manual machine shop. For the most part, I am self taught on manuals. Learned much of what I know from reading and putting theory to practice. I moved to CNC's and strictly cnc's in 92. I have absolutely no schooling except hard knox. Think this is bad? Nah...I have thrived...I have programmed (by hand)set up and ran CNC lathes for a few years. Moved to the mills at the request of the owner. I have bounced back and forth in the following years. Verticals, horizontals and have even had training on an SLA. Cool stuff to be sure. The common denominator in all of these was common sense and the willingness to learn. I really wish the engineers where I work had a machining background so they would not over complicate these parts that I make. meh..Just a passing fancy as I am well on my way to my mechanical engineering degree..

Bill
 
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