MAD DOG TEST--A BLOW TO CUSTOM MAKERS?

Getting back to the main question...

No, I don't think this reflects badly on "custom" knives. I'd be proud to be beaten by a production Busse, why not?

It's a big-ass, fully flat-ground Bowie. How could I improve on that for a camp knife? I'd make the same general type of knife for that role, as you can see several of the other companies tested did. I'm not saying the Busse is the "perfect" shape, but that it's a smart solution and one I doubt could be much improved upon.

It's in INFI. Do you believe the hype? I'm not 100% sold, but I've read enough to know it's an A-class performer of a steel. I don't expect a stainless to outperform a tool steel (admittedly INFI is solidly a hybrid with a Cr of ~8%) in any category except rust-resistance, so very little I'd make would come close. Maybe if I were using a CPM steel or BG-42, dunno. Differentially treated tool steel vs INFI? Yeah, I'd expect the differential treatment to win if it was done VERY well, but then by definition the edge wouldn't crack or chip if it were "done very well." According to Ed Fowler you can't tell a bad differential treatment from a good one without etching the steel. Does MD?

The handle on the Busse looks decent. Seems one area that could be improved upon, but quite adequate.

So we have a very good design in an excellent steel with a decent handle. Nobody should mind getting beaten by that whether their knife is handmade or factory-made. I'm putting together some knives to send Mike and I fully expect the knives to beaten by the Busses - but mine will be stainless, and that counts for something. I'm interested in how close they come, how they stack up, to get an idea on what I should work on and how far the disparity between stainless- and tool-steel types really is.

So why buy a custom knife (note that I consider MDs "handmade" but not "custom" - they don't build to customer specs)? Maybe you'd like a finer degree of finish. A different steel. A handle made to fit YOU. A different blade shape. Embellishments. A better sheath. You get the idea.

I'm fully prepared to accept that Busse has cornered the market on pure keep-it-simple using knives. CS has been making a valiant (if long-winded) effort for years, but Busse shows many improvements. But this does not invalidate handmades, especially for people like Mr. Ralph, whose focus is on all the art, beauty, and creativity that only a handmade knives can posess. It's only the makers of simple, low-end fixed-blades that I worry about...


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-Corduroy
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Drew Gleason:
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Drew, very wise words indeed.

The handle does have room for improvement, I'll admit that without qualm. I'd like to see it made out of either Mission's Hytrel, or a tough G10 like Mad Dog's.

The thing to keep in mind is that most of the knives were solid performers indeed. Most of them did very very well. Every one of them has room for improvement.

Hopefully, we'll see that happen.

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
SysOp and Administrator for BladeForums.com

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Thanks for all the great posts here. y intent was not to cause havic but to set the record straight! I offer a warrentee on my products and go to great lenghts to make my clients happy (I hope) . In a perfect world there would be no problems !
Once again my question was not taking sides ,,,, just asking questions.
As for Mike ... in the words of the great Austin Powers........ Test away baby!


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In my opinion, Mad Dog WILLINGLY took an active part in the test. Want to know why? I don't think even mister Dog would dissagree that he at least ground the blade. When you make a knife, you MUST EXPECT it to be tested(excluding certain purely art knives, etc.), period.

I will never buy a Mad Dog knife now. Why would I buy from a maker I don't explicitely trust?

Mad Dog should give a knife for a retest. I guess he's not required to, but why the hell wouldn't he WANT to?! It's common sense! God, if he doesn't like the original test results and blames it on a *bogus* blade, it would seem he'd want the facts of how his ATAK REALLY performs be made known! What's he been sniffing?
 
After waiting a few days for the thread to cool off I read some of the things said here.
Im glad its over.
I just want to thanks you all for you free speach on this subject. My intent was not to take sides. I just feel that its a better road to travel when you make mistakes or screw up making good on your product and going the extra step to make the clients happy.

I will be submitting a chopper for testing. This is the ultimate challenge for any maker or manufacturer.
I do feel that the knives tested should be sent of free will as these knive were sent by the manufacturer or owner. Both have the right to find out how well there knives perform.
Keep up the good work ! I hope we dont go through this crazy stuff again.



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If it's ground by someone else sometimes, and Allen Blade says it is, is it not handmade rather than custom?

Weren't they made by cnc, rather than handmade at one time?

Some custom knife dealers show MD knives under production knives not custom knives.

I don't think honest custom makers suffer from this at all.



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Ron Knight

Yeah I'm crazy, but what do you want me to do about it
 
All I can say is that I really hope that my Custom MD Mini-Rat-Thing hasn't been delayed by all this petty crap!!

Seems to be that everyone should just Let It Go. If there are consumers out there who want to put stock in the tests, so be it. If there are consumers who want to question MD's legitimacy and his knives reliability, so be it.

It kinda bothers me that one of the first threads I read during my return to BF after a several month hiatus is full of this crap....

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RJP, if you want to let sleeping dogs lay, don't bring two month old threads back to the top. It kind of defeats your intent.

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
Yeah I had almost forgot about that nasty little situation.Thanks for bringin up the thread to refresh my memory on what knife never to buy
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