Made In Usa?????

[shecky]

I don't care that a executive, a pencil pusher or a salesman can make a bunch of money. That is part of the problem... this means less equality, and is likely the reason for our present state.

What exactly is our present state? And what does it have to do with equality?

If the country works like we're told, there is a set amount of funds, and in fact, we're losing money as a country, not gaining. So, when "American workers are employed in more profitable sectors" who ends up losing in the equation?? I'll tell you who... 95% of the population. You may think that you're getting more, but this is an illusion of inflation. If you're not getting more, you are definitely losing. How can you possibly see that as a good thing?

Hmm... No, people are not losing. Even with today's economic downturn, Americans are more prosperous than ever before, with a dollar that buys a wider variety of goods than ever.

I support more hands on manufacturing. If for nothing else reasonable to you, it is a simple matter of gratification. It feels good. If you don't feel that I certainly pity you. What you are saying is that you support companies like Walmart, who push costs down, and manufacture overseas... You are saying that money/savings is more important than fair trade. Personally, I'd rather make nails or clock radios than work in the Walmart hardware or electronics department for twice the wages. Your "boutique" theory is also nonsense. Why push away AFFORDABLE USA made knives?

You want more Americans manufacturing, because it make you feel good. Go ahead and make all the nails and clocks you want. Just don't sentence me to that life.

Boutique knives are a fact of life. The knife market supports more custom and small scale knife makers than ever before. They make desirable objects than knife nuts want to buy. One reason is that Americans are wealthier than ever, with more disposable income to spend on such things as fancy knives that cost tens or hundreds of dollars.

Nobody pushed away affordable USA made knives. They have mostly left because American labor is better used in different sectors. How many mourn the demise of the local wheelwright and blacksmith? Those folks had to change with the times or die. The few that remain do so as part of a boutique industry, serving a specialized market, sometimes at a premium.

It seems pretty clear that you are unaware of the fact that EVERYONE is losing their tuchus right now, and if they aren't, they will. ...unless you want to work in the Walmart electronics dept. Walmart will be ok, thanks to us. You think that there is "sense" in making knives in China??? ..yea there's sense alright, it's COST EFFECTIVE.

Duh!

Some companies want to make more, and some probably are just struggling to stay in business. The American "standard of living" is abuse of technology, is totally ridiculous and is destroying our planet.

Your post is a self perpetuating black hole of unreason that too many people embrace in this country. You see your comfort in jeopardy, and will, all but literally, cut throats to keep it. ...and people wonder why so many are on Prozac? We are murderers and thieves. Even worse, 99% never even get their hands dirty. Most of us simply reap the benefits. It is out of sight, and mostly out of mind. The healthy are either ignorant or evil.

You're losing me here. What's that you say about Prozac?

 

[archieblue]

shecky, we are at the pinnacle of where we have brought society. There is only one option. simplicity. Either we choose simplicity, or we fall hard. You chose to shoot for ideals and gain. If you're not at least a millionaire, you will fall too. What happens in 50 years when nobody knows how make or repair conveniences? What happens when all the disposable conveniences perish? (BTW, that's everything around you, except your knives, but including your house if built in the last 80yrs.) What happens WHEN, not IF, we go to war with China? My advice is to be prepared. Buy local. Support that which you wish steadfast. Hope is not enough. Ignore it and it will go away. I take pride in being who I am and what I stand for. You take pride in your car.

 

[archieblue]

openblade... sincere apologies.. I do not want to hijack your thread. I feel strongly about this topic. With soooooo many USA made options, It pains me to see someone willing to support anything else. There is a problem, and an obvious solution. Some people ignore it, some people embrace it.

 

[enderwiggin]

I wonder if the idea that there will always be buyers out there who will buy American, without regaurd to quality, has anything to do with the $25 billion dollars we're about to spend bailing out the big three American auto manufacturers.

Who, after decades of being a national laughing stock, have finally realized some people might value a reliable vehicle that gets them to work every day so they can feed their family more than the pride of piloting a vehicle with an American logo on the grill and tailgate.

 

[CarpScot]

I have moved away from buying production knives for the most part. I tend to buy from custom U.S.A makers. I like to support Americans who practice their craft because I want as many quality local makers around as I can. In my mind, it helps enrich us culturally.

That being said, I have no problem with anyone buying from a company based outside the States. I do get perturbed when a U.S. company touts their products as being U.S. made when they are not actually manufactured here.

 

[Trent Rock]

I don't care that a executive, a pencil pusher or a salesman can make a bunch of money. That is part of the problem... this means less equality, and is likely the reason for our present state. If the country works like we're told, there is a set amount of funds, and in fact, we're losing money as a country, not gaining. So, when "American workers are employed in more profitable sectors" who ends up losing in the equation?? I'll tell you who... 95% of the population. You may think that you're getting more, but this is an illusion of inflation. If you're not getting more, you are definitely losing. How can you possibly see that as a good thing? I support more hands on manufacturing. If for nothing else reasonable to you, it is a simple matter of gratification. It feels good. If you don't feel that I certainly pity you. What you are saying is that you support companies like Walmart, who push costs down, and manufacture overseas... You are saying that money/savings is more important than fair trade. Personally, I'd rather make nails or clock radios than work in the Walmart hardware or electronics department for twice the wages. Your "boutique" theory is also nonsense. Why push away AFFORDABLE USA made knives? It seems pretty clear that you are unaware of the fact that EVERYONE is losing their tuchus right now, and if they aren't, they will. ...unless you want to work in the Walmart electronics dept. Walmart will be ok, thanks to us. You think that there is "sense" in making knives in China??? ..yea there's sense alright, it's COST EFFECTIVE. Some companies want to make more, and some probably are just struggling to stay in business. The American "standard of living" is abuse of technology, is totally ridiculous and is destroying our planet.

I'm sorry, but this makes no sense to me
Can you elaborate?
Let's start with the abuse of technology
It sounds a lot like the Unabomber Manifesto to me
Technology is the greatest gift to Capitalism..IMHO

"Companies cannot grow through cost reduction and reengineering alone . . . Innovation is the key element in providing aggressive top-line growth, and for increasing bottom-line results"

Technocapitalism (early 21st century to ?): Biotechnology, nanotechnology, software, digital networks, other technologies (?). ​

Late Industrial Capitalism (mid- to late 20th century): Petrochemicals, electronics, computing, aviation/aerospace.​

Industrial Capitalism (late 19th to mid-20th century): Chemicals, electricity, internal combustion engine, automotive technology.​

Early Industrial Capitalism (early to late 19th century): Steel, machinery, steam power, railroads.

What is wrong with pushing costs down?
Doesn't that make the consumer goods less expensive?

What is an illusion of inflation?
disposable conveniences?

Less equality?
Are you talking about income inequality??
The Gini Coefficient?

There is a problem, and an obvious solution. Some people ignore it, some people embrace it.

Tell me the obvious solution
I'm dying to know.........................

BTW....I'd rather work at Wal-Mart than making clocks and nails
At least they got a Mickey D's in the store I can eat at
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Why is this discussion not in The PA?
We talk about Chinese made products and the alleged resulting decline of the U.S. manufacturing sector, all the time

Some people ignore it, some people embrace it...................

 

[John_B]

...that it's not where your knife is made. But by whom!

Spyderco demands quality work form their Colorado shops and the shops in Seki and China. It is Sal making sure we get the best from where ever.

When ever possible I try to by USA. Recently I was down south and was near a Hanes factory and got my T's there. You could see the cotton being unloaded at one end of the factory and shipping from the other. Made me feel good that my $ went to and stayed in the USA. But guess what? Up here I will buy what is conveinant at the best quality for my $. If that means Made in Mexico or Bora Bora so be it. Best bang for mybuck.

From what I've seen if it has Seki Japan on the blade it will be top notch work which I'll buy and thats from a guy who grew up with a grandfather who hates every nip that still breaths.

 

[T.A.DAVISON]

Does anyone out there have a list of real USA owned knife companies.... where the knives are also made in the USA? ( Custom would be great , but a little out of my range.. I think.)
Openblade, aka........... just another "Bill"

Bill,

Welcome to Bladeforums, for a new guy you sure know how to stir the pot.... :thumbup:

And all I have to say is " A custom would be THE BEST " :thumbup:

Hope you stick around? Have a great day.

T.A. Davison



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[timsclips]

Just trying to get back to the original thread, why is Case not mentioned as a USA made knife company?

 

[akula83]

I wonder if the idea that there will always be buyers out there who will buy American, without regaurd to quality, has anything to do with the $25 billion dollars we're about to spend bailing out the big three American auto manufacturers.

Who, after decades of being a national laughing stock, have finally realized some people might value a reliable vehicle that gets them to work every day so they can feed their family more than the pride of piloting a vehicle with an American logo on the grill and tailgate.

Industrial Darwinism here, The big three can't/won't make a car as well made for the cost as Toyota(have American made models)and Honda.

 

[Lycosa]

Esav---What Pictures Are you looking at?? Are you at the "Cove?"

 

[Bastid]

Since the topic has turned away from knives.
This thread is now locked.
Want to talk politics and economy there are places to do so here and other places.
This particular forum is for the discussion of knives.