Made Some Fire Straws

plattj1 said:
Whatever.... you need to do a little more research. I know for a fact that it was an article in "Backwoodsman" but it's no big deal. I was just trying to give a good magazine a plug.
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If his firestraws outdate your source, then it sounds like you need to hit the library. Or you could do.... whatever... :rolleyes:
 
The Last Confederate said:
My "research" is just fine, I know quite well when I made them.

11 post and the next Ron Hood has arrived. :rolleyes:
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What an ass... If you look at the membership date you would see that I have been here for 4 years just like you. I just choose to read this board and not post. Which is something I will go back to doing as of now.

Oh yeah... If you would have bothered to check it out you would have seen that I wrote the article in question. As I have written many others over the years.
 
OK, first you claim you were just trying to give a good magazine a plug, NOW you claim you wrote it.

I made these before you claim to have written some article, period. You may not like that, and feel it's appropriate to call other forum members names but that doesn't change the facts.

It does however show something about you.
 
The Last Confederate said:
...11 post and the next Ron Hood has arrived. :rolleyes:
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Do the number of posts enhance your credibility? Just wondering since I have seen extensive BS posted throughout this forum in numerous threads on all sorts of topics. That theory of numbers of posts must be the answer!!! Maybe, individuals are posting such voluminous BS because it gains them credibility through the shear volume. I guess pounds of BS is better quality then a few little terds. Maybe, I am gaining position...who is the score keeper?:jerkit:

Oh, I never made a fire straw, never saw the article in question, but couldn't resist posting because it might gain me some points...can I get a touché point?...makes 205 posts!!!:p
 
You guys got my curiousity going so I headed to the woods today to do some burn time testing on the fire straws.
I took some pictures too , but I can't seem to get them to show up here. I can e-mail them though , if anyone wants to have a look.
To use them , I split out the middle portion & pulled some of the cotton out , fluff it up a little & then hit it with some sparks from a rod that was in a Blast Match that I managed to break awhile back.
They will ignite with one scrape of the rod & burn 3 minutes & 20 seconds.
May burn longer if I use more PJ when I make them...I'll give that a try next time.
The tinder I used was a little larger than pencil size maple & was burning well before the straws burned out.
Had no trouble getting larger stuff to burn after that.
These things work very well. Thanks for sharing all of the different ideas on how to make them & how to use them. I'm always looking for ways to improve what I use & appreciate everyone's ideas.
Thanks for reading & Merry Christmas to everyone.
Cliff Nieporte
 
Nicely done, Cliff. If you'll email me three or four of your pictures, I'll put them up here as a reference.

plattj1 said:
I am pretty sure the first time the term 'firestraw' was mentioned was in an article in the "Backwoodsman" magazine a couple of years ago.
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With an OED, I am "pretty sure" of the etymology of ass, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. Since these things are not exactly copyrighted, we're not talking about a royalties issue. Regardless of who invented them, who wrote about them first, etc., they work well, and that's all I really care about.
 
Guyon said:
Since these things are not exactly copyrighted, we're not talking about a royalties issue. Regardless of who invented them, who wrote about them first, etc., they work well, and that's all I really care about.
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Perhaps it doesn't matter to you, but the statement that they were written about in ASG implies plagarism on my part and on the part of "Backwoodsman." That is all I was trying to point out.

The jab about another Ron Hood was childish, but perhaps I responded to quickly. The internet is an open sounding board with room for all. I am perfectly happy to go back to lurking and let my prolific brother from the south keep on being the big dog.

This is a nice board and I enjoy learning from it.

Merry Christmas!
 
plattj1 said:
Perhaps it doesn't matter to you, but the statement that they were written about in ASG implies plagarism on my part and on the part of "Backwoodsman." That is all I was trying to point out.

The jab about another Ron Hood was childish, but perhaps I responded to quickly. The internet is an open sounding board with room for all. I am perfectly happy to go back to lurking and let my prolific brother from the south keep on being the big dog.

This is a nice board and I enjoy learning from it.

Merry Christmas!
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For the record, I never meant to imply plagarism on your part, if someone wrote an article about Buck 110's in 2000 and another person wrote an article about them in 2005, would that mean plagarism, of course not and nobody was implying that here either.

If you took my reference to an earlier source as accusing you of such, you misunderstood me, so my apologies if there was confusion on that part.
 
plattj1 said:
Perhaps it doesn't matter to you, but the statement that they were written about in ASG implies plagarism on my part and on the part of "Backwoodsman." That is all I was trying to point out.

The jab about another Ron Hood was childish, but perhaps I responded to quickly. The internet is an open sounding board with room for all. I am perfectly happy to go back to lurking and let my prolific brother from the south keep on being the big dog.

This is a nice board and I enjoy learning from it.

Merry Christmas!
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It would only be plagiarism if you knew of a prior source and intentionally failed to cite it. I don't think anyone here was accusing you of such. People, independent of one another, often create similar inventions, come up with similar ideas, etc.

Actually, I'm not even sure if you're claiming credit for the idea. Here at least, you only make the claim for the first publication of the idea. Where'd the idea come from? Did it have some popular circulation before it went into print?

Not to add flame to a dying fire (pardon my choice of metaphor), but it would be of interest to me to see both the Backwoodsman and the ASG articles that are alluded to here. Are these both in public libraries?
 
Guyon said:
It would only be plagiarism if you knew of a prior source and intentionally failed to cite it. I don't think anyone here was accusing you of such. People, independent of one another, often create similar inventions, come up with similar ideas, etc.

Actually, I'm not even sure if you're claiming credit for the idea. Here at least, you only make the claim for the first publication of the idea. Where'd the idea come from? Did it have some popular circulation before it went into print?

Not to add flame to a dying fire (pardon my choice of metaphor), but it would be of interest to me to see both the Backwoodsman and the ASG articles that are alluded to here. Are these both in public libraries?
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April/May 2002 Backwoodsman.

Yes, I claim to have invented it in the article. If it exsisted before I had never seen it. I was an avid reader of ASG and still have many of their back issues on my bookshelf.

I vote for letting this discussion die. It's not like we are discussing Moby Dick or To Kill a Mockingbird, it was just a few hundred words on a different way to carry PJ & cotton. I should have never interjected in the first place. The internet is a very different format from anything which has ever exsisted before, when you are as old as I am you can mistakenly cling to previous ways of thinking and acting. Some things should be handled via private messages or just be ignored.

Lesson learned.
 
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