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Rusty

Rusty

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Check out the Political forum thread I started on this. Gives a URL to British 'Sky News' article that "uncovered disturbing evidence of how easy it is to buy swords..."

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"All who follow the leading of God's Spirit are God's own sons." Romans 8:14


 
I checked it out, Rusty. It appears that government controls are increasing everywhere. You really have to wonder about governments, invariably backed by the major media, that are so determined to deprive the citizenry of all forms of viable weaponry. But, to me, the saddest part of it all is that the average citizen doesn't care. The greatest danger to this country and others, is not the government, it's the apathy of the people.
 
Steven, Rusty,

The real sad part is that if you read the history of most countries of the world, it's apathy of the people that have given governments the ability and justification to commit some of the worst abuses in human history. And yet, people dont even think that those abuses could be repeated again and again.

Arvind
 
You're right, Uncle Bill. In a letter to Col. Will Smith, in 1786, Jefferson wrote, "God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion." It was in that same letter that he wrote, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
 
A few intelligent, independent-minded individuals are still around -- and they're buying khuks.

[This message has been edited by Steven F (edited 01 December 1999).]
 
It's kind of interesting that we have kind of a similar situation here in the States with the guy in New York City who decided to use a paving stone for it's unintended purpose. Chances are, the sword that was used was never intended to be used as such, and was probably more of a wall hanger then anything else. The stone on the other hand, was well, a stone. It reminds me of when I used to be a counselor at a men's homeless shelter. The guys used to have to check in their pocket knives, and it finally reached a point (where I completely disagreed with the policy) where they had to check in their fingernail clippers because they too were "weapons" by some stretch of some superiors tiny (and apparently unchallenged) imagination. Funny thing is, we had a soda machine in the cafeteria/meeting room/sleeping room that dispensed aluminum cans of course. It didn't take a mental giant to figure out that you can take a can, flatten it, give it a nice point and stick people with it, MUCH more effectively then a fingernail clipper. Also, we had railroad tracks that ran behind the building, chock full of railroad spikes that were used on the tracks. Those too became a popular carrying implement as well, and I've witnessed what happens when a spike contacts a human skull, and it ain't too pretty. Not to mention all the sundry sticks, and rocks, and bottles, that could be found around the building. Anyhow, here's the moral of this (I knew there had to be one somewhere here
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), and I wish people could get it through their media hyped brains: Even if you ban every gun, every sword, every knife, every fingernail clipper, and every aluminum can, there will still be "weapons" that can be found ANY place you are. People have been quite adept at making other people bleed long before the invention of gunpowder, and long before the invention of steel. I don't see it leaving our nature anytime soon in our development. We can always ban objects, but it's not until we ban the behavior that we're going to get anyplace in this whole mess. Demonizing objects to me basically means that we have completely lost control of a situation, and more importantly, the behavior of people commiting the acts. But, it does give a (false) sense of security to those out there that have the media hyped (lack of) brains. If there ever was a time for the ghost of Mr. Jefferson to return, it's now. May we hope for a miracle.

Take care,
John Johnson

"It takes a village to ruin a child."
 
Take two fairly long socks. Put a full soda can in each. Tie them together at the open ends. Instant Nunchucks...very potent ones, too.

More "weapons math":

rifle+hacksaw=handgun
shotgun+hacksaw=serious nasty

Speaking seriously now: guns and other weapons have greater "economic value" to a criminal than to a law abiding citizen. What I mean is, even in a fairly nasty area I'm finding myself very glad I'm armed with edged weapons an average of once every 12 years or so. A mugger can get economic value out of a knife daily PLUS he gets the self-defense benefits same as me, except that because he's a jackass he needs self defense a lot MORE than me.

This is the mechanism that drives criminal armament. Any law that reduces armament reduces it for non-criminals FIRST.

Jim
 
3 feet of closet rod goes a long way also. Or a 12' #1 2x4, preferred by 3 out of 4 professional rioters.

There are some 'anarchists' trying to disrupt the WTO meeting but they don't seem to be equipped with any of the obvious tools for the job. I don't know if that means that the anarchists are basically peaceful, or just haven't put a lot of thought into this whole 'disruption' concept. I suspect the latter.


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Namaste,
Jeff Paulsen

"Oh, a magic khukuri. Why didn't you say so?"
 
What frightens me is the flagrant ignoring of the old principle that you can't be arrested for thinking something.

Purchase of a tool which could *possibly* be misused as a weapon now seems to be viewed as intent to commit a criminal act.

Had people not gone overboard on taking away my ability to purchase firearms at my discretion, I'd probably own a 22 pistol, a 38 revolver, a 22 rifle, a deer rifle, a 20 gauge upland shotgun and a 12 gauge duck gun.
Maybe an elk or bear gun in 375 H&H just to fondle and daydream over. That makes 6 ( or maybe 7 ) and all except one ( the 38 ) suitable for sporting purposes. An 03 Springfield or a Garand might also be kept as a symbol of and to honor America's heritage.

Twenty five years ago, a battery like that was considered as perfectly normal. And you'd have a couple hunting knives and an airforce survival knfe or two in the vehicles.

Instead, they started threatening to take away the right to own concealable pistols. Then modern "military" rifles, then "riot" guns, then "high capacity" magazines, then, then, then...

Oh, I do own a 22 pistol and 22 rifle.
But, I don't own a single hunting rifle or shotgun. I haven't had the money to buy anything ownership of has not yet become endangered.

Now they'll go after swords and knives. Funny how it's the people who can't be trusted and not the government.

PS: I just happen, by coincidence of course, to have a couple rifles that Pala would be intimately familiar with.

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"All who follow the leading of God's Spirit are God's own sons." Romans 8:14




[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 02 December 1999).]
 
A few quotes from Thomas Jefferson are in order here:

"... experience hath shown, that even under the best forms (of government), those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny ...."

"... when all government ... shall be drawn to Washington as the center of power, it will render powerless the checks provided ... and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated ..."

"Were we directed from Washington when to sow, when to reap, we should soon want for bread."

"What has destroyed the rights of man in every government under the sun? The generalizing and concentrating of all cares and powers in one body ...."

The man knew what he was talking about.
 
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