Maintaining high-carbon steels

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I’m a stainless guy. Always have been, always will be. And yet … I’ve lately found myself entranced by some high-carbon-steel fixed blades, specifically the Winkler Belt Knife and some Lon Humphrey offerings.

Two things about me: I hate the idea of rust on my expensive knives almost as much as I hate work or effort of any kind. My ideal life is to sit back, do nothing, and watch my knives not rust. So I’m scared to pull the trigger on one of these bad boys.

So, I guess my question is: What kind of effort is required to maintain rust-free high-carbon steel? When it’s not in use and sitting in a drawer, do I have to oil it every day? Once a week? Less often? And is there anything else I should do besides oiling? Pray to ancient gods? Blood sacrifices to forge demons?

Thanks for any info.

P.S.

I’m well aware that not only has this question probably been asked and answered innumerable times in these hallowed forums, but I could probably find the answer with 30 seconds of Googling. But where’s the fun in that? Where’s the human connection? Where’s the possibility of a grizzled mountain man calling me a pu$$y for preferring stainless steel? No. I want to handle this the old-fashioned way: by asking thousands of strangers with only a few taps on my handheld space phone that connects to an invisible, global communications network.
 
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I’m a stainless guy. Always have been, always will be. And yet … I’ve lately found myself entranced by some high-carbon-steel fixed blades, specifically the Winkler Belt Knife and some Lon Humphrey offerings.

Two things about me: I hate the idea of rust on my expensive knives almost as much as I hate work or effort of any kind. My ideal life is to sit back, do nothing, and watch my knives not rust. So I’m scared to pull the trigger on one of these bad boys.

So, I guess my question is: What kind of effort is required to maintain rust-free high-carbon steel? When it’s not in use and sitting in a drawer, do I have to oil it every day? Once a week? Less often? And is there anything else I should do besides oiling...
The terrible irony of this whole discussion is that it just occurred to me that one of my top-two steels of all time, 3v, is not stainless. Of the “big three” knife-steel properties—toughness, edge retention, corrosion resistance—toughness is my top priority, so I love 3v. And this is also why I’m attracted to the high-toughness carbon-steels. So maybe I’m not as much of a stainless guy as I thought! 🙃
The bulk of my experience with 3v has been with cpk. I've borderline neglected some of those blades, both standard and his delta 3v, like I wouldn't consider doing with any m4 or k390 and have experienced no meaningful corrosion or even patina. I was actually a little disappointed they haven't developed more signs of being well-loved. 😁

In my opinion, use your UF without concern.
 
Yeah, while 3V isn't technically stainless, it is dang near close. Especially compared to high carbon steels. For all intents and purposes, I personally consider it (semi) stainless and have never had a stain I couldn't remove from 3V with a bit of polish and steel wool.

Dr. Thomas marks 3V at a 5.5 on the corrosion resistance scale whereas the lowest ranking truly stainless steels start at 6.5. So really not that far off for 3V.

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Source: https://knifesteelnerds.com/2021/10...ness-edge-retention-and-corrosion-resistance/
 
Yeah, while 3V isn't technically stainless, it is dang near close. Especially compared to high carbon steels. For all intents and purposes, I personally consider it (semi) stainless and have never had a stain I couldn't remove from 3V with a bit of polish and steel wool.

Dr. Thomas marks 3V at a 5.5 on the corrosion resistance scale whereas the lowest ranking truly stainless steels start at 6.5. So really not that far off for 3V.

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Source: https://knifesteelnerds.com/2021/10...ness-edge-retention-and-corrosion-resistance/
I literally keep this page open in my web browser at all times, and I swear I reference it damn near once a day. It’s the single best page of HTML on knife steels (for my purposes) that I’ve found so far.
 
I normally don’t like the look of Kepharts but those two are nice! Not sure I’ve ever seen a black blade on a Kephart. Looks great!
I decided to beef up the Kephart representation in my collection this year and it was a good decision. I've been carrying the Condor Kephart around the yard for the last couple weeks and it's very unobtrusive when you're working. I often just put the knife sheath in my front pocket when I'm in the yard. The Brisa practically sings when it's in the hand and is being saved for when I have some time to do more hiking, probably later in the autumn.

 
The bulk of my experience with 3v has been with cpk. I've borderline neglected some of those blades, both standard and his delta 3v, like I wouldn't consider doing with any m4 or k390 and have experienced no meaningful corrosion or even patina. I was actually a little disappointed they haven't developed more signs of being well-loved. 😁

In my opinion, use your UF without concern.
For as much as I paid for that dang UF, I’m going to use the hell out of it.
 
I literally keep this page open in my web browser at all times, and I swear I reference it damn near once a day. It’s the single best page of HTML on knife steels (for my purposes) that I’ve found so far.
100% agree and do the same thing haha it's always open! More love and appreciation coming your way Larrin Larrin we truly appreciate everything you have done for the industry.

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I decided to beef up the Kephart representation in my collection this year and it was a good decision. I've been carrying the Condor Kephart around the yard for the last couple weeks and it's very unobtrusive when you're working. I often just put the knife sheath in my front pocket when I'm in the yard. The Brisa practically sings when it's in the hand and is being saved for when I have some time to do more hiking, probably later in the autumn.

Is the Brisa 14c28n (or whatever that steel is really called)?
 
I am … the .1%.

Just for clarity, my comment wasn't personally directed at you. This is a common topic that comes up.

The Brisa Kephart is made from 80CrV2. A lot of nice Scandinavian knives that I like use it.

Agreed. The Terava knives are also 80CrV2 (as are Winklers). It's a really good field steel, esp. with proper heat treatment.
 
Just for clarity, my comment wasn't personally directed at you. This is a common topic that comes up.



Agreed. The Terava knives are also 80CrV2 (as are Winklers). It's a really good field steel, esp. with proper heat treatment.
No worries. I was trying to make a “1%” joke, as in the 1% of rich and powerful elites, etc. there goes my comedy career. 😉
 
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