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Blues

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Gents, things have been going along pretty smoothly of late, but the incidence of borderline commercial posts is up a bit.

Please, as a general rule, post pictures of your work which is being offered solely for viewing and/or the solicitation of "good/bad" comments in the Gallery as opposed to the Custom forum.

By doing so we will keep the forum open for the actual discussion of custom knives as opposed to its turning into an advertising venue.

Appreciate the help. This will keep the number of emails to Gus and me down and keep us from having to edit or move threads.
 
George,

I'd like to think that my relationship with many makers would make my reply to you unnecessary, especially since I once took the time to write to you directly on this issue. As I recall, you didn't give me the courtesy of a reply.

I love knives. If you check my knife pix you'll see that I have several thousand dollars invested in them. Probably more than would be prudent on my income as a government employee.

I have many friends who are makers, both here in cyberspace and out there in the real world. Some are big names, some are barely scraping by. I try to treat them all with the same dignity I would want in return.

If you think I want makers to leave, you are sadly mistaken. But I realize that you don't think that. You know better but you feel like being contentious anyway. Well, that's fine and not unexpected either.

For every curt reply like yours I get several that are polite and thankful for the efforts Gus and I put in to the forum. We, unlike you, don't get paid for our efforts. We do it because we care.

Now, if I am doing a bad job, I won't be upset if you ask Spark to replace me. After all, the extra income (zero) I'm getting from the hours I put into this isn't stretching real far.

All I ask is that folks take the time to consider that this forum is not to be used as an overt advertising venue. Period.

Frankly, I didn't make the rules, George. Spark did when he took over the site. He also created other categories of membership: Premium, Gold, Knifemaker, Dealer to help defray the expense of running the site. Is it fair to those who pay that others who don't get to run commercial posts? (Perhaps you can take over responding to their emails. Frankly, it's not a lot of fun.)

Of course you don't have to support the site financially, that is a personal choice and is strictly voluntary. But then you shouldn't complain about not getting to advertise for free either. At least that's how I see it.

I suggest you think back on how many threads have been edited, moved or closed on this forum. I think you'll find that neither I nor Gus are heavy handed.

I'd like to see this site remain open to the discussion of custom knives by collectors, users, makers and dealers without blatant commercialism rearing its head. Most folks seem to understand this, George. Even those I've had to email about it and who have written back to me with thanks for explaining our position and saying to go ahead and move their posts. (Even if they weren't moved.)

As a matter of fact, you'll see that some of the posts that fit this profile are still on the custom forum right now. Guess I didn't react like a jack booted thug after all, huh?

Rather than move the threads, I've just made this relatively innocuous request so that folks can think it through themselves before posting in the future.

Once again, George, thanks for your well reasoned remarks. You've helped make my day a more pleasant one.
 
BRAVO Blues!!!

Thank you for all the hard work that you put into this forum!
 
I'll second what Eich said. You folks do such a good job of moderating it's mostly transparent, which I think is a good thing. I've noticed what you say about more "semi-commercial" posts as well; sometimes it seems like makers are just trying to drum up interest in a knife they happen to be selling. Thanks for doing such a great job.

Custom Knife Content:
I just got a Doggett Fighter and a Blackwood Litewave this week. Both are very sweet knives; lots of nice stuff coming out of Florida these days.
 
Thank you Blues.
Very well said.
 
The custom forum is my favorite on BFC. Mr. Kalanzis and Mr. "Blues" do a fine job of moderating it despite the excellent renumeration they receive :p .

I for one enjoy the makers posting pictures here as I seldom visit the gallery (I don't want to wade through all of it to see the few new custom postings, sorry I'm lazy). I understand the thought process behind not allowing it here anymore (as it did tend to get abused by a small minority), I just wish it did not have to happen.

A compromise might be to allow those makers who purchase the knifemaker subscription to post 1 (one) picture/post here of any new design they introduce. For me that is news and worthy of being seen here.
 
Anything a known knifemaker says on this forum can be construed as commercialism. After all the knifemaker puts groceries on the table by selling knives, at least some of us do.

If by posting I am in contravention of the rules I will leave.

I thought that part of the idea of this forum was to promote interaction between makers and collectors, apparently I was wrong.

I apologize for what you take to be some form of insult, I thought I was just stating the obvious.
 
I think the message is clear enough without beating it to death.

If everyone would just give it a little bit of thought and not take advantage by pushing the envelope it'll be better for everyone.

And George, you've been here long enough and made enough posts to know that you weren't "stating the obvious", so your "apparently I was wrong" comment doesn't hold water either.

There's no need to sensationalize any of this when just a little courtesy will go a long way to remedying the situation.
 
George spoken like a truely meek and mild Canadian, BRAVO!!!
A few month ago I was told basically to GTFO. I have been watching as other makers continued to post pictures while I did my picture posting in the gallery like a good boy like Gus and Blues said to.
But Blues your sending mixed signals my freind.
Just before you posted this thread you helped a maker post a picture of a knife he just sold on this forum. Whats up? Why did you post it here? By your stated rules it belongs in the Gallery.
 
I'll tell you why, Robert.

Firstly, since the individual in question has paid for "Knifemaker" status on this website he is entitled to post pix under his account. However, in this instance I lent him a hand as a favor, not as part of my duties. I've done the same for several others, maker or not.

I left the thread in place because I hadn't moved the others which prompted me to start this thread in the first place.

Had I moved it, I would've felt compelled to move all of them and I thought it better to bring up the issues which I felt it raised before taking any action. I didn't want to appear heavy handed. Of course, now my just bringing up the topic appears to have made me guilty of that in some eyes. So be it.

Thanks for giving me a chance to address the matter.
 
Just to add a bit of weight to what Blues has said (of which I agree with 100%) - guys, you don't want me to step in here and start deciding what is and isn't advertising. You won't be happy with the results.

If you want to advertise your wares, do the honorable thing and help support the site you are making money off of. Blues and Gus don't need the heartache - I don't like hearing about someone suppossedly "playing favorites", especially people with the character and integrity that they have. These guys are way more level headed and calm than I am, so allegations and accusations against them are laughable at best.

No excuses guys. It's only $30 for a year, and it keeps this place open.

Kevin
 
Spark, Gus & Blues
I have no problem with the rules the way they are stated. I just like to see a level playing feild. I was part of a thread some time ago that stated makers cannot post pictures of there own knives here. I have no problem with that so I went to the Gallery as told to and am only posting pictures of items already sold that I am proud of.
However I checked in here once in a while to see whats cooking to find that makers were still posting pictures of there own work here. I made no complaints.
Blues if the thread that you posted the picture for by helping a freind was the one that prompted you to start this thread fine by me I was just curious as to an explanation as thing seemed a little strainge by the timing of things. Your reasoning is fine by me if things are going to be enforced equally in the future.
George, hope I'll see your work in the gallery as its just about 95% custom handmade stuff now anyways.
 
Here are the guidelines I established for myself. I am not particularly concerned what the "other guy" is doing.

1. If I have something new or interesting, I put it in the gallery.

2. If I have something for sale, I put it in the Knifemaker For Sale section only. I never cross post saying something like, "Hey, name this knife" or "Tell me what you think" on a knife that is for sale.

3. I post knives from other maker's because I still have a collector's eye for knives.
 
Robert,

Just to be clear, I do not know RhinoKnives, never met him, emailed him or seen one of his knives before helping him with the picture. It was a gesture of one person helping another. Nothing more nor less. Nothing sinister. I didn't do anything I wouldn't do for anyone else needing help.

As for the forum not being run entirely one way or another, I agree, and that, in part, is why I addressed the members with this thread.

Gus and I try to be very lenient and unobtrusive. However, when we don't take action, invariably things tend to start to get a little bit out of hand. Nobody characterized it as evil. Let's try to maintain some perspective. We're not pissed off here. Just trying to steer the forum a bit.

Then again, since I have other responsibilities to my family and my work, I don't have the time (nor the inclination) to read each and every thread posted on this forum. I usually hear about problems from other members/makers as they crop up.

We can't be here 24/7/365 to make it a perfect world. It's impossible.

We try to make it as good as we can. Hopefully, most of the time we do a good job. We know that when we don't we can count on hearing from you all. ;)
 
Seems to me the rules are pretty clear. Doesn't bother me to post pictures in "the gallery", for sale in "for sale". I can remember a time when this particular forum was insufferable for all the pictures and unpaid advertising. Some of this is grey area, that's why we have moderators. Pretty benign ones at that. Keep it up guys!

Personally, I'm just glad to have forums for the discussion of custom knives.
 
First off I would reaaly like to thank you Blues for the help you provided me with earlier this week. You made a very embarrassing situation a lot better and I greatly appreciate it.

It seems like this is the forum that most people come to, to see and discuss custom knives. That is why I think that makers like to post pictures of their knives here. I do not personally mind this as long as they do not blatantly advertise them. I do think that these makers should however support the forum by getting a knifemaker membership. I think that $30.00 is a very inexpensive price to pay for what they get back from this forum.

I suppose if all the makers posted their knife pictures only on the Gallery Forum then that would be the place I would go to so that I could see these knives, but I do like to see them here as well.
 
I'd love to post pics, if I knew how.
Though I believe I'd buy me a membership first. Sounds good, maybe I'll do that. 30 bucks sounds fair enough to post pics,state my opinions,shatter feelings,direct my anger,make an ass of myself and maybe even help somebody along the way, on this wonderful forum I surf twice a day that I love so much! Wehuuu!
Serious, where do I send my check?
Gus, Blues
Once you got it up, keep it up!
Its cool

Patrick R. Nihiser
Knifemaker
 
I have seen many knives posted by knife makers on this forum. Some may have been blatant "For Sale" ads, but may of the postings have just been "Hey, check out this cool new knife I just finished for Joe Forummember..." type posts. (Knives that are already sold!!) It would be a shame to eliminate the later to get rid of the former.

If we rid this forum of all knife makers posts showing off the cool knives they have just finished, we might as well call it the "Custom Knife Owners Forum".

Why not let the moderators moderate? If Gus or Blues feel it is a commercial post, let them move it. (No playing favorites....!!!) If it is just a pure "I made this custom knife and am showing it off" type of post, let it stand for us all to enjoy!!!

My $.02 worth,

Michael
 

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Blues and Gus, you guys do a great job and are extremely fair and level headed. Thank you. I suggest Spark doubles your salaries.
How is it that the 2 complainers seem to keep missing the fact that the maker who's pic you posted had paid for Knifemaker status and is allowed to post pics under his account here as long as it's not a for sale post.

Dave
 
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