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Man Gets Life Inprison For 2 3/4 Inch Buck Knife!
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I can't find any mention on the website of his prior criminal history, I would be curious to know if he had one and what part that played in the charges before I could form an opinion.
We have a similiar confusing law in my home state, blades over 3 inches are legal, but if carried during the commission of a felony, they become illegal.
We have a similiar confusing law in my home state, blades over 3 inches are legal, but if carried during the commission of a felony, they become illegal.
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who carry knives every day, should ever consider burglary as a vocation, at least not in Florida. Having said that I must say that this is a very sad tail indeed. It sure looks like this guy got 'rotary inclined planed'.
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geothorn said:
When I was a kid, maybe 10 years old, I got taken on a tour of the local jail as part of some class field trip. I was goofing off a little bit and got used as the example case to show us how an arrest and booking worked. So I got cuffed, put in the back of a police car and then taken into an empty lockup cell. It was all very enlightening and cured me of ever stepping too far over the line- I didn't ever want to see the inside of one of those places again.
I sometimes think about that experience and wonder what would happen if a similar one became common practice, especially among "at risk" (not my buzzword) kids.
As far as Tim Buckley goes, I agree that the punishment does not fit the crime. If he had a long past history of arrest and the knife was actually USED in the commission of the crime than I might feel different. But it never left his pocket and so I don't think it should have any bearing whatsoever upon his sentencing.
I do wonder about his past history though... that almost surely had to come into consideration for the sentencing to be so severe.
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Guys,
My view is a little dif.I have NO sympathy for a THIEF!!I have had MY apt. robbed ,can't replace items taken.If HE wasn't in THAT place,trying to
STEAL,he wouldn't BE in this situation!!I also agree that this "poor,innocent
THIEF"has a history.As prev.stated,"I"have no sympathy!!
Jim
My view is a little dif.I have NO sympathy for a THIEF!!I have had MY apt. robbed ,can't replace items taken.If HE wasn't in THAT place,trying to
STEAL,he wouldn't BE in this situation!!I also agree that this "poor,innocent
THIEF"has a history.As prev.stated,"I"have no sympathy!!
Jim
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geothorn said:
Under the section of a statement from the knife's manufacterer is where I think it says it's a Buck.....and just for the record there have been LOTS of innocent people who have seen the inside of a jail cell.
Ok, that's another way an non-criminal can see the inside of a jail cell. I, too, was taken on such a tour, with my whole class. I *think* that I remember being used as the example for being "inked and fingerprinted." If I have remembered correctly, that, too, is a good incentive for me not to attempt a criminal career.roughedges said:
Well...whatever stopped schools from taking those fieldtrips, as you and I remember? If the schools routinely/regularly took our schools' classes to see the jail, why isn't that continued today? "At risk" kids or not; just everybody.roughedges said:
I agree, it seems too stiff of a sentence for a "simple burglary," but, beyond this incident, we don't know his prior history with "the authorities." As far as whether the knife left his pocket, only Tim knows that. However, how can one use a pocket knife as a weapon in an *empty* building, unless "weapon" is a term also used to cover vandalism as well as assault or murder...?roughedges said:
We're in total agreement there.roughedges said:
GeoThorn
Thank you for directing me to the "Knife Manafacture's Opinion"...I missed it, searching the Synopsis' for "buck."The Last Confederate said:
You're correct, there have been far too many innocent people behind bars in America, although I hope that they were found to be innocent, and released. However, there are also innocent people that have been locked-up and no one has ever found the key....
I should know better than to make such all-encompassing, yet concrete, generalizations.
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geothorn said:
Sorry if that seemed like I jumped on it to hard, my home state of Il. has made such a mess of it's criminal justice system, that a few years ago, out of 130 something men on death row, 13 were found to be innocent and that a state police forensic investigator had been lying and faking DNA matches to get convictions, that the then Governor commuted all death sentences to life because of all the problems. Ever since I am a little jumpy when I someone imply that only criminals end up in jail.
I dissagree.geothorn said:
many innocent people are going to jail because of stupid laws that make an otherwise innocent act a "crime."
I'm talking mostly knife and gun laws here.
Its the same old chliche "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." It really is true. I just can't understand the idiotic reasoning behind these lawmakers that say (in pretentous, businessmanlike, holier than thou voice), "Well, now this guy who was gonna shoot up a liquor store is no longer a threat since we made his gun illegal."
Hell, let's just ban every gun and knife on the planet, then NO ONE will ever get hurt again since the ONLY two possible means of commiting crime are now illegal!!
...Now THERE is an idea...
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I think there wasn an article about this in Blade or Knives Illustrated last summer. As I remember it, he had two prior arrests for simple, non-violent crimes and this being his third strike, he was out... just so happened he had what they considered a weapon, but was in compliance with the law.
Sounds like he is a career criminal. Odds are if he is released he will commit crimes again. He will know that he will recieve a very harsh sentence if he is caught. He will then do anything to not be caught. This makes him a very dangerous person. I feel that it is in the best interest of the people that he remain behind bars.
go to website ! link! Florida supreme court,click on opinion see pg 12, disenting opinion there is a 12 page opinion by cheif justice anstead and justice parente ! read what there opinion is ! also everyone is asking why i referred to a buckknife . the court came up with that one !
Evidently he just can't keep from helping himself to other peoples property. What if he gets out, resumes his old ways, and somebody puts a bullet in his brainpan? No, it's better for everybody concerned that he stays locked up. Including him.
Regards, Vince
Regards, Vince
