Man Survives Fall into Mount St. Helens Crater

Wow! That guy is very, very lucky. You can't play around in terrain like that. You have to be vigilant at all times!
 
Heard about this a few days ago. I would like to know what they were doing up there. It is my understanding that the most of mountain is off limits except to climbers with permits. I know that the Plains of Abraham is open to snowmobiles but I don't know if that includes the rim.
 
James,

Noticed your avatar - would be interested to hear more about Silver Star and your experiences!
 
It's a much bigger and better avitar since I upgraded. I had a black and white version but it was to small to effectivly see. I been lurking around here at night while I'm work and killing time while running tests on the equipment.

I'm not much of a story teller and to be honest a lot of the SAR missions I have been on have been fairly drool. The guy who can really tell the stories is my collugue Rescue Mike. Now as far as relating the facts and a timeline I do ok. It can be on the dry side I'm afraid.
 
Dry is good, too, James! Bring it on, or have rescue Mike jump in if you'd prefer!
 
I'll let Mike wade in if wants to. I've got no problem calling them like I see them.

A little background I guess is in order.

Silver Star SAR is a all volunteer team based out of Washougal Washington. The team has been around since 1963. Even though we are based in Clark County we spend most of our time in Skamania County working with Wind River SAR. River-8 amongst others here on the forum is also a collugue.

As for experiences I've been on quite a few searches over the years. I try to interject what I can based on what I've seen, done and learned. I jumped in earlier on the Steve Fossett thread regarding downed aircraft searches. Nobody has jumped in since so that thread seams to be going nowhere at the moment.

Not sure what else to say at the moment. I could always answer specific questions.
 
welp, what are the most common types of rescues you encounter, and what are the most common injuries you've seen? What are the worst habits of people that you see leading to a need for your services?
 
Maybe James can answer this (or maybe he shouldn't!) I don't understand people who go hiking, climbing or in this case snowmobiling in dangerous places and times (winter).

They are not only risking their own life but the lives of people like James and Mike who have to (even if they volunteer) go out and rescue/save them. Time and money and worst, other people's lives are at risk for somebodies "Adventure" I don't get it.

God bless you James and Mike and all the rest of you people who give so much, for so little and sometimes those so foolish...
 
welp, what are the most common types of rescues you encounter, and what are the most common injuries you've seen? What are the worst habits of people that you see leading to a need for your services?

I'm going to breack this up by question. Some of it may run together though.

Injuries: Mos of the ones I've seen are injures of the leg. Sprains and breaks are the most comman. The other most comman are injuries from falls. These are much worse and can include back and pelvis injuries. From what I've seen and heard these people are generaly pretty busted up.

Most comman types of searches: Evidence/crime scene, missing persons, rope rescue/injuries and downed aircraft/ELTs.

Evidence and crime scene are pretty straight forward and I really don't feel at liberty to discuse these. This much I know is that I have been on some that were actual crime scenes and others that were not but were treated as such until a investigation and determination can be made. I know of one I can talk about because it wass determined to be a suicide and not foul play. I could go into more detail as to informing the general poplulace of what to do if they encounter human remains but I'll hold off until I get an actual request.

Most of our calls are for the standard missing person or an injured person. On of the areas we respond to is a geographical feature known as Cape Horn. We have been called out several times to recover persons that have fallen to their death. Some fall from the overlook on the side of the highway and others have fallen from the trail. The ones that have fallen from the overlook decided for what over reason to climb over the hand rails/retaining wall. The trail itself is not an official Forest Service trail and is is very narrow and has loose footing. One of the calls we had last year almost resulted in the loss of a SAR member while extracting the deceased. We would like to see this trail closed until improvements can be made but so far no luck.

Then you have the standard missing hiker. The majority of these are people who ventured out alone, very poorly equiped, and/or get sperated from the group. I could name numerous examples but we would be here all day.

The other call we seem to get a lot of involve young people and fast moving rivers. This mainly a sumer time call and consists of falls and drownings. The Lewis and Washougal rivers seem to attrack the most people.

Recently we have been getting more calls for Azthermer(sp?) patients, children esp Autism, mentally challanged and irrational behavior. Most of these involve walk aways from home or a care facility. These are generally suburban but due to the vulnerable nature of the subject require an rapid response and intervention. We had a guy take off into the woods acting irrationally about a month ago. That one was about a 7 on the wierdness scale.
There are a few things that can be done to help the authorities and searchers if you have a family member that falls in this classification. Have a kit with good pictures and discription. Have them finger printed. Have a file with there favorite hangouts, restraunts, bars etc... Try to have this preassembled in the event you need it. There is a program that is on a thumb drive that has an electronic version. Not sure where they guy i saw withit got it from. There is also a program called Project Lifesaver. Basically it is a radio collar for humans. So far it has had a very impressive success rate.

Alot of our searches boil down to people not using comman sense and generally not thinking before acting. It never ceases to amaze me the stupid things people do. In our society where thrill seeking is glorified I'm afraid the number of calls for injuries/deceased will only increase.

We see alot of people who are not prepared for the unexpected. Even when I recreate on the local day hiking trails most people are poorly equiped for a unplanned event. I think the attitude is that there ae plenty of people on the trail and civilization is only a short distance away. There was a search recently on the Oregon side of the Gorge where a couple of guys decided to take a "short cut" and ended up spending a night or two before the walked out.

Aircraft/ELTs: I also work with the WSDOT Aviation Division as a Observer, Radio operator and ELT tech. So far most of our ELT hunts have been false alarms. The only down side is we get them about 6 pm on a Sunday night. Our furthest was 3+ hrs away one way. I've come home a few times just in time for the wife to go to work.

Ok I think that is enough for now
 
Maybe James can answer this (or maybe he shouldn't!) I don't understand people who go hiking, climbing or in this case snowmobiling in dangerous places and times (winter).

They are not only risking their own life but the lives of people like James and Mike who have to (even if they volunteer) go out and rescue/save them. Time and money and worst, other people's lives are at risk for somebodies "Adventure" I don't get it.

God bless you James and Mike and all the rest of you people who give so much, for so little and sometimes those so foolish...

Thanks.

This is my theory:
I think it is a combination of a lack of comman sense and thrill seeking. Possibly American society seem to have this notion that nothing bad can happen to us. The it won't happen to me mentallity.

I also believe we live in a society that is very self centered and does not take into consideration what impact their actions are going to have on others. This my personal observation. I'm sure someone has a more scientific answer.
 
James, thank you for taking the time to answer! I'll let you off the hook for now, as I am headed for the sack, but I'll have some more questions if you don't mind indulging us further.

Thank you for putting your life on the line for all of us who may be out there in need.
 
James, thank you for taking the time to answer! I'll let you off the hook for now, as I am headed for the sack, but I'll have some more questions if you don't mind indulging us further.

Thank you for putting your life on the line for all of us who may be out there in need.

Thanks. It's still odd to get thanked for putting my A-- on the line. When I was on active duty during the Clinton years people used to look down thier noses at us. Now it is not the case. I'm glad for the guys serving now and I think they totally deserve it. I guess I got so used to doing thankless jobs I got used to it. At the same time it totally pisses me off to listen to people belly ache about the cops and some times the military when all they are doing is thier job to the best of their ability. My hat is off the the LEOs as they have the least popular job of all.

Not a problem. I'll answer what I can and outsource what I can't. I'm usually around here from about 1500 hrs till 2200 or later PST. I lurk here and in the Busse forum. You can always try to PM me or email. I'll warn you though I don't check my email that is connected to the forum as often as I should. My primary e-mail is not infavor with the forum management. PM would be best if I'm not online.
 
Thanks.

This is my theory:
I think it is a combination of a lack of comman sense and thrill seeking. Possibly American society seem to have this notion that nothing bad can happen to us. The it won't happen to me mentallity.

I also believe we live in a society that is very self centered and does not take into consideration what impact their actions are going to have on others. This my personal observation. I'm sure someone has a more scientific answer.


I think that's right on. I can't tell you the number of times, while climbing out at Garden of the Gods in Colorado, that people visiting would simply walk off of rocks.

It was incredible. People believe bad things happen to other people.

So they don't prepare.
 
I think that's right on. I can't tell you the number of times, while climbing out at Garden of the Gods in Colorado, that people visiting would simply walk off of rocks.

It was incredible. People believe bad things happen to other people.

So they don't prepare.

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that has observed this. It's good to know I'm on the right track. I'm a tech/gear geek by inclination and actually have to work at understanding the human element. I'm actually getting ready to read a book on survival psychology. Makes me think I need to find (if I still have it) and finish reading the sociology book from the one class I took and enroll into a psychology 101 course at my local community college.
 
The deputies were not on the weirdness scale. Out of respect I won't disclouse which scale they belong on.

I will admit the paranoid hispanic did rate a higher rating. I didn't want to give to high a rating in the event there was something weirder that you or John have been on.
 
I think you summed it up nicely... I also think you hit the nail on the head with the "it won't happen to me" comment.

On one rescue a couple of years ago, we were out for three days looking for a group of teens, 2 guys and 2 girls IIRC. When we finally found them, it turns out they had remembered to bring a tarp, matches and a lighter, extra food and water, and jackets. When they realized they were lost, they sat down, built a shelter and fire, and waited for SAR.

That was a weird one... Prepared? Sit and wait? Huh????
 
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