Man Vs Wild tonight

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I noticed tonight when he was in the snow making snow shoes he was using a victorinox swiss army knife, looked like maybe the trekker. it was in plain view this time! But earlier in the show he used a different knife.
 
In the alps he used a wenger Serrated Mountaineer. Most of the time he uses a Gerber Gator clip point combo edge.
 
Maybe when he was all alone in the wilderness he borrowed a different knife from the sound guy instead of the camera guy that time. :p
 
Yes, it looked just like a victorinox ive used before! But i did notice the serrated blade/thin knife and i took a good stab at it.
 
When I watch ol Bear out in all those hard get around in places, all I keep thinking is how in the heck is a guy with a camera keeping up with him and filming this when Bear has nothing to carry and he's struggling. I just wonder if Bear really doesn't cheat by having all the knives and food/water he wants right there off camera?
 
I'll still take SURVIVORMAN who has to carry his own camera and isn't "out there" with a full crew.

Les Stroud
:)
 
Jill, Bear is almost certainly "cheating". If you go to the Survival forums at equipped to survive, there are a lot of posts about Bear Grylls and Les Stroud.

I like both shows - Bear because some of the dumb stuff he does is comical and Stroud because he's all alone, doesn;t take risks, and puts alot of effort into his survival series. If you watch closely, it becomes almost readily apparent that Bear gets help from his camera crew. I still like him though.... it's Hollywood.
 
I like both shows. I watch to pick up survival tips and entertainment. I know both guys are not really doing the real thing. I do find Bear more entertaining. Les always goes around with that whipped pup look, Bear is always pumped with that hell yeah LETS DO IT attitude!
 
I saw the show for the first time last night. I kept thinking that he had a group of fully equipped guys, fairly relaxed behind the camera while he was on the verge of dying.
 
When I watch ol Bear out in all those hard get around in places, all I keep thinking is how in the heck is a guy with a camera keeping up with him and filming this when Bear has nothing to carry and he's struggling. I just wonder if Bear really doesn't cheat by having all the knives and food/water he wants right there off camera?

The camera crew probably has all the special equipment they need to get around. I'm sure they are in good shape themselves. Also Bear probably gives them time to set up their shots so they can capture him as he runs by, climbs up or down something, etc.

Also the camera crew is fully fed and probably gets a good nights sleep in a warm tent while Bear is freezing to death or crapping himself to death all night, so it's probably easier for them to keep up with him when he's tired and they aren't.
 
I like both shows. I watch to pick up survival tips and entertainment. I know both guys are not really doing the real thing. I do find Bear more entertaining. .................QUOTE]

RedHawk, I agree about Bear not really doing the real thing but I beg to differ as your comment relates to STROUD. It's possible you're right that Les Stroud id not doing the real thing, but highly improbable.

Stroud gets dropped off on scene and he carries with him at least one, and sometimes two or more, cameras. He films ALL of his own shots. Many times, you'll see shots of him walking way down a valley or something... but what people don;t realize is he has to walk all the way back up to get the camera. He's even said once on his show that he's too tired and cold to go back-and-forth with the camera and he's going to forego that. He'll say "I've just gotta keep moving" and stop the long-distance shots. On one show in Canada (old plain wreck site), he wrapped one arm to simulate having an injury. He got so cold and had such a hard time making do with little things that he said, on camera, "I'm going to give up on this simulated injury, this is just too tough" or something like that.

Stroud is ALL BY HIMSELF out there. He carries a SAT-phone for emergencies (and probably a PLB, though I don;t know that for sure). He can call in his SAR team if he gets in deep trouble. He stays out there for 7 days.... he has to arrive at a designated pick-up area by then or they come get him. He's admitted in interviews that during two shows, he just had to call the team in to pick him up a day early or before he got to the meeting site to avoid suffering from hypo-thermia or something else. I guess he reasoned that, if he waited longer, knowing it would take them some time to get to him and get him to a hospital, he may suffer permanent damage. After all, he does this show for a living....not for a dying.

Stroud has an internet site and there's a web site for the Survivorman show (Google "Les Stroud" or "Survivorman [one word]). He's recognized and usually lauded by well-known survivalists. Yes, it's TV, but in Stroud's case, what you see is what you get. Not so in Bear's show (though I'll still like his show too).

Stroud knows what he's doing (as does Bear Grylls). He's got some real-world camping, hiking, climbing, and survival experience. I like him. If you haven't seen the episode where he's in either Arizona or Utah and all he has is a mountain bike, a dime-sized piece of old, moldy energy bar, a tiny handful of corn chips, and I think his multi-tool or a knife or something. Anyway, if you havent seen it, I recommend it.
 
Man vs. Wild is entertainment. I look at his show as what not to do in case I parachute out of a plane into the Costa Rican jungle. I am sure Bear is a formidable survivalist but the show is clownish.
 
Where do they find these guys anyway? I know Bear was in the SAS and broke his back in a freefall jump but where'd they find Les?
 
Stoud started his film career in the 1980s as a music video producer for MuchMusic, a Canadian music video channel. As he stared out the window of an office into an urban alleyway, Stroud itched to escape to the wilderness.

In 1987 he made a break for it and spent the next seven years traveling Canada as a canoe guide and wilderness instructor. He developed his own outdoor company called Wilderness Voice (still in operation) and paddled numerous Canadian rivers as a whitewater guide for Black Feather Wilderness Adventures.

After Stroud met his partner in life, Sue Jamison, also an outdoor enthusiast and photographer, the two spent an entire year living in the remote boreal forest of northern Ontario. They lived as if it were 500 years ago — no matches, no metal and no tent — just a stone axe and their knowledge of traditional bush survival.

Stroud filmed the entire adventure, eventually releasing the odyssey as a one-hour documentary called Snowshoes and Solitude. In addition to being an award-winning filmmaker, Stroud is also a recording and touring musician.
 
hey yall,

Sorry to dig up old subjects but I had to comment on these shows!

I like Les Shrouds show. You can tell that he is doing the camera work and is really trying to survive.

Bear Grills, though entertaining, just makes me laugh. I've seen him take off running down a snow covered mountain. I mean just flat out hallin' a**.
I just kept thinking, you dummy! If you are in a survival situation why would you start running down a slick, snow covered hill unless: 1. your being chased by a bear and thatsyour ONLY choice or 2. you ran into a drug deal and they spotted you:rolleyes:. If you were really trying to survive the last thing you would want to do is trip and break your leg, arm, back, neck, etc.

Sure, i've ran down my share of snow overed hills, back before I broke my leg, and that was for fun, usually with other people around. But if I were stuck in the woods I wouldn't risk running down the hill just to get down the hill in 10 minutes compared to a half hour!

I know it tv but still it just ticks me off ( I guess I'm going overboard here:D) I've seen him slide down icy hills, jump down rocky embankments, and more or less just take to many stupid risks!

I guess this is my rant for the year:rolleyes::D:foot:.

Sam
 
Stroud carries a Multi-tool and, on occasion, a Buck 119. Sometimes, like on his dog sled, an axe - even a rifle. Grylls this past year used a custom Bayley bushcraft knife you can buy from them for 350 pounds in the UK - ~$750 shipped here. It'll have his name on it, too. Hold me back!

Seriously, although the UK press delights in revealling Grylls habit of being whisked away to a lodge for the night, he has accomplished some quite impressive feats, including holding the record, albeit not for long, for the youngest (25) to top Mt. Everest. He also circumnavigated the British Isles in a kayak alone, and was a member of the British SAS until he broke his back in a parachute training excercise (His chute didn't fully deploy... it cost him eight months in a hospital - and rehab.). He has paid some dues.

I noticed a disclaimer on his show, stating that he demonstrates 'how he would survive' - not how he did - in the depicted circumstances. I always wonder why he doesn't offer the cameraman some squeezed elephant dung juice for water - or raw rancid Zebra meat for dinner - or even some fresh termites for a snack. I enjoy his show for 'entertainment' value, but given an either/or choice between him and that Canadian Stroud, I'll watch Stroud. Besides. he carries a Buck 119 - $34 at Wally World!

Stainz
 
Bear Grylls is a good looking, athletetic man but most importantly he is an actor. Most of the stuff he does will get you injured or killed and I doubt that even he could do it without special equpment and help from the camera crew.


For example, he did not build the raft or the supposedely wild horses were actully tame taken from a local ranch.

From BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6911748.stm

"However, he was actually in Hawaii and spent some of his time there in a motel, Mr Weinert alleged.

Another time, he added, Grylls was filmed building a raft by himself, whereas the crew had actually put it together and dismantled it beforehand, to ensure that it worked.

And in a further episode, supposedly "wild" horses rounded up by Grylls had come from a local trekking facility, he claimed."


Or what about the fake grizzly attack (actually a crew member in bear suit)

"TV Bear 'faked' grizzly attack

"Back inside shelter Grylls, 33, says: “It might well have moved away, but sure as hell it knows I’m here.”

But an adviser for the Discovery Channel documentary, shown on Channel 4 last year, claimed the sinister shadow was a fake.

Ron Hood said programme makers asked him to find a bear suit when plans to hire a tame grizzly for the shot fell through."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article250674.ece

If the show was labeled as "extreme sports - insane adrenaline rush with Edward Grylls" I think we would have avoided all the debate about the practical side of the things that Bear does. Unfortuantelly, it is promoted as "sutrvival show", thus we are were we are.
 
Bear Grylls is a good looking, athletetic man but most importantly he is an actor. Most of the stuff he does will get you injured or killed and I doubt that even he could do it without special equpment and help from the camera crew.


For example, he did not build the raft or the supposedely wild horses were actully tame taken from a local ranch.

From BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6911748.stm

"However, he was actually in Hawaii and spent some of his time there in a motel, Mr Weinert alleged.

Another time, he added, Grylls was filmed building a raft by himself, whereas the crew had actually put it together and dismantled it beforehand, to ensure that it worked.

And in a further episode, supposedly "wild" horses rounded up by Grylls had come from a local trekking facility, he claimed."


Or what about the fake grizzly attack (actually a crew member in bear suit)

"TV Bear 'faked' grizzly attack

"Back inside shelter Grylls, 33, says: “It might well have moved away, but sure as hell it knows I’m here.”

But an adviser for the Discovery Channel documentary, shown on Channel 4 last year, claimed the sinister shadow was a fake.

Ron Hood said programme makers asked him to find a bear suit when plans to hire a tame grizzly for the shot fell through."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article250674.ece

If the show was labeled as "extreme sports - insane adrenaline rush with Edward Grylls" I think we would have avoided all the debate about the practical side of the things that Bear does. Unfortuantelly, it is promoted as "sutrvival show", thus we are were we are.

To put the final nail in the coffin watch this video and decide for yourself :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is
 
The camera crew probably has all the special equipment they need to get around. I'm sure they are in good shape themselves. Also Bear probably gives them time to set up their shots so they can capture him as he runs by, climbs up or down something, etc.

Also the camera crew is fully fed and probably gets a good nights sleep in a warm tent while Bear is freezing to death or crapping himself to death all night, so it's probably easier for them to keep up with him when he's tired and they aren't.
Nope. His camera crew gets picked up by chopper every night. Then he is left with that small 'nightshot' handycam with lower image quality.
 
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