Man Vs. Wild

After seeing two episodes I'd say it's fairly entertaining but would rate survivorman a bit more educational. MvW seems to stress the drama, with questionable reality (that raft appeared unaturally bouyant) and lots of in your face close-ups and fancy camera angles. Survivorman wins the prize for portraying a level headed approach while still conveying the strength/will sapping aspects of a multiday survival episode. I'd like to see a multiperson survivorman type episode.

I've done some slot canyon hiking in northern Arizona and have seen logjams up close. There is absolutely no way I would attempt to swim under or climb over one that I could not see through. The risks are just too great. Assuming no recent rains (decent assumption otherwise you have no business being in one) I'd do my best to burn the jam. I'm pretty confidant that option was considered and ilkely rejected due to environmental safety/wildfire concerns.
 
Hmmmmm......you are wrong. I DVR'd the "jungle episode", and thought I had heard him make some kind of "this IS how to survive" type of comments. I just went back and checked - here's a quote by Bear from the beginning, just before he parachutes in

"I'm going to show you the skills you need to survive out here"

Skills to survive, like -

1. Climbing a 100 foot tree by the vines around it, to find out that it's just jungle all around you.

2. Using a vine to rappel down a waterfall rather than walk around it

Those are the two that I thought were kind of dumb. But I did like the way he described how he was starting the fire, and the 1st shelter. The raft seemed to work better than I thought it would, also.

But yes.....I do agree that it's mainly entertainment, but he certainly did claim that this was educational - he was going to "show you the skills you need to survive out here". I think some of the skills would help you survive, some would probably get you killed or seriously injured..........just hope that you pick the right ones I guess!

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SHOW is NOT the same as Teach. Show is not Educate.
You only heard what you wanted to hear simply for the sake of arguement.

He SHOWED us climbing above the canopy to survey. He SHOWED us rapelling using jungle vines. he SHOWED us building a shelter. he showed us building fire, catching food, etc. He didn't say he would teach us how to do each skill, it would be a 50 hour show if that were the case!

Let's be reasonable for a moment.

It's like a Karate champ SHOWING you his kick.
It's like a Big Game Hunter on OLN, SHOWING you what it's like to take down Big Game.

1. Climbing a 100 foot tree by the vines around it, to find out that it's just jungle all around you.
Have you ever been in a jungle? I have. You can't see farther than 25 yards, make that 25 feet, in most places. They were most gracious with their filming, those more open spaces are few and far between.

Without a compass, You MUST climb, or somehow figure out whether you will be going, UP, down or sideways. You need to replay your DVR. You obviously didn't hear him talk about people/tourists wandering around and dying becuase they didn't know which way to go, or worse, went in circles. Very easy to do, Been there, done that.
How would you determine your initial direction of travel without a compass?? Please enlighten us.
I can assure you, moss doesn't grow on the North side near the equator.

What he showed us, was, you have to figure out where you are, and try to spot a depression where there would a stream or rive, and follow it downstream. In the MOAB he climbed to a high point, surveyed, same idea.
That TEACHES me something! Let me spell it out for you, No matter what the terrain, get to a high spot to survey. Without finding water, you are going to die, anyway, so it serves a dual pupose, it gets you to a water source, and provides a path to follow.

if you want more Education than that, read the Army survival manual. geeesh.

2. Using a vine to rappel down a waterfall rather than walk around it
You don't just walk around a jungle escarpment, (or any escarpment) there is more cliff than just where the water is falling, it goes on for many miles in either direction, thick and overgrown. In the jungle it can take an hour to go 30 yards (that's with a machete). Replay that DVR again, he says it could take him many hours to go around, and night was coming quickly.

Climbing down the waterfall is by far the easiest place, because it's the only open place, clear of dense vegetation, to do so.

He SHOWED us a skill that could come in handy. Did you know which vine to use as rope before this show aired?

It's very easy to sit back and make off-hand criticism on this stuff.
Think about what it is truly like, it's no cake walk. You are breathing in insects, into your lungs, coughing them out, they fly into your ears, nose and eyes.
It is friggin miserable. You are sweating more than in a suana room.
Go into a wet suana, fully clothed. OK, now, it's worse than that.
You feel like you can never catch a breathe.

Your arms and legs get cut to shreds, your BDUs become ventilated from all the sharp plants, but that is actually welcome at times. Bugs are crawling on you at all times.

Unlike Les, in SurvivorMan, Bear parachutes in!! into a friggin Jungle???
Pardon me, but that feat alone is so damm impressive he gets a free pass the next 59 minutes.

My comment, having been in fairly dense jungle (Panama) is , if anything, he made it look way too damn easy. That guy has almost super-human physical endurance. The heat and humidity of the tropics can put good men down , in under and hour.

Hmmmmm.....come to think of it, I don't appreciate you judging me, and telling me how wrong I am.
Again, you are still assuming it's a "HOW TO" show. It is not.

It's an adventure show. period. Sit back , relax, and watch.

The jungle is 100x worse than what they portrayed. Don't take it from me, Just ask a VietNam vet.

Now the desert, I can't really say. I've been in the Mojave, but not more than 100 yards from a vehicle and cool drinking water.
115°F air temp, felt like an oven. Heat comes up into your shoes in less than 5 minutes. Being out in a place like that, with no water, that is just plain scary.
 
What did you all think of his sharpening technique in the jungle episode? Looked like it would have mostly had a steeling action. I personally would have used a rock like a bench stone, but I have never sharpened a knife with a rock so...
 
What did you all think of his sharpening technique in the jungle episode? Looked like it would have mostly had a steeling action. I personally would have used a rock like a bench stone, but I have never sharpened a knife with a rock so...

Not sure. After a half dozen passes he checked the edge. I thought it looked a bit like gravel so I don't see how it could have done much.

As far as expending energy crushing up a stone, I think I'd have found a realtively weathered rock in the stream and bench stoned it as well.

I have a couple rather cheap knives here. I really should go beat one up then try to put some sort of an edge back on it with a stone from the yard.

cs
 
Agreed about the sharpening technique. I understand the bit about grinding the stone to make an abrasive.
I have got to admit I would have looked for a flat stone in the stream and tried it like a good ol wet stone.

About his knife, who knows what it was this week, in the Jungle episode?
It was a fixed balde. About 6 inches it looked like?
And he did give it a workout, no doubt.

How about him batoning his blade through those trees using that big old stone!?? :eek:
Wow, he really did beat the crap out of it.
You could see the serrations on the spine were beat all to hell.
 
:confused: I live on Vancouver Island and although Man Vs Wild has been advertised it has never actually been on....is it on the normal Discovery channel?
It said it would be on last Friday at 9pm!
Has anybody else in my area seen it?
 
I think the show is fun to watch and it's on eof the few things on TV I'm comfortable t let my 5 year old watch.

He likes to watch Both Survivorman and Man vs. Wild. Asks about watching the "tough guy" on TV. We did 2 overnights in the North Cascades this last summer.

Programming like this gets kids excited about the outdoors. Anthing that encourages kids to get outside and be alive is good. Adventure is fun !

Skunk makes all the good points too. Keep it up Stinky !
 
I just got done watching the Jungle episode.....I think his 1st shelter was too big, but thats, no big deal. I wish he had said something about Giardia when he was drinking right out of the stream...it seems he got sick that night, I wonder what caused it. I enjoy watching these shows....like somebody else said...it gives you something to think about...looking around the screen, imagining what you might do. Survivour man and man vs wild are ok.
 
I don't know about the stick and hammered stone method of sharpening a knike, I would have looked for a flat river rock myself.

I did learn a new way to cut down small trees/sappling with the use a Branch as a Hammer on even a small knife. Just one more thing I picked up that I wouldn't have thought about myself.

Karsten
 
Sorry I think the guy is a sensational idiot, swimming the colorado river wearing a windbreaker around the waist that would make a dandy improvised flotation device? Beating the hell out of your knife with a rock in survival situation? I saw his sharpening technique, if he did anything but worsen the edge I will kiss his ass, he only stropped the center section of the edge.

He takes to many unneccassary risks for my taste, and I frankly don't believe some of the things he says. In the desert episode the water is too polluted to drink, even to boil and drink, he had a canteen cup, he describes how just a bit of this water could make him very sick. He then swims in it including diving underwater and I see him surfacing and spitting water out?

Here is what I think of him and his show.:jerkit:
 
Very hollywood indeed, there must be a whole field crew of cameras and service support to make the type of camera scenes here. Lots of BS, but there is acurate BS as well. Beautiful scenery of the wilderness, good armchair survival entertainment. Will be watching.
 
I watched the show and thought it was entertaining... So in that sense it was successful. As for practical advice or instruction, just like in these forums, you have to wade through the B.S. to find the good information. So I enjoyed the show like I enjoy reading these forums...
 
Agreed. Entertainment, but pretty decent entertainment when you consider the alternatives on the tube. Police officers may bash the show COPS, survival enthusiasts may do the same with Survivorman and Man V Wild - but I like 'em. Cool to see some batoning at work, even though it thrashed the top serrations on that knife. That knife? My guess was at first, a SOG, but then saw that weird can opener gut hook at the top. My guess now is some sort of Ontario type knife. Scariest survival tip on last night's show for me was climbing that wiry-ass tree and rapelling down the waterfall. The skydiving into the jungle was pretty cool, though.
 
I've seen them both and find Survivorman to be more informative but I have found "I shouldn't be Alive" to be informative as well.Assuming that those on the show are telling everything,then you can learn as much from what they didn't do as well as what they did do to survive.Just watched the one with Les on it and I seen others(Myke Hawke Amazon episode,Volcano,Alaska,etc)and seeing what happened to people who actual lived through the experience seems,to me very informative.Bonus when the have someone like Les Stroud or Myke Hawke to explain what they would have done in the situation.
 
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