Manix 2 Photographs

Just bring back the freaking original Manix!!!

On that note, I'll be in line for 2 of the new ones :)
OCD is terrible
 
gunmike1 said:
Some peple killing the hollow grind should check out Deacon's post on the Spyderco.com forum. I love FFG, and will probably get my M2 reground, but I will at least give the knife a fair shake before sending it off to Tom Krein. Of all things that are seemingly easily changed on a factory knife it is the grind and steel. I bet Spyderco may end up changing the grind of the blade and putting all sorts of steels in it in a short amount of time due to the demand here. If there is one thing Spyderco does it is listen to ELU's.

Mike
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Thanx Mike, We try to.

Eric is pretty busy right now so I'll chime in.

This model is the beginning of a long range plan. We also are not afraid to make improvements as we get feeedback for our customers as well as our own discriminating attitude in using our own designs.

Regarding the Jimping, Eric eliminated the jimping on the handle spine rear a while ago. He decided that it was abrasive to the hand going into the pocket past the knife. The rest of the jimping is quite useful, especially with gloves on.

On the steel, we're testing mid range materials to keep the price more competitive. 154Cm is no slouch steel. Eric also plans a full flat grind S90V version following this one. (he may have already begun the run). He likes S90V and he also likes full flat grind. But that's more of an "afi" model.

While we will continue to produce afi variations for you, me, Eric and crew, but we also need some lower cost variations if we are to serve all of our customers. You'll be seeing a number of good mid-range steels coming out in the next year as we balance cost and performance.

In defense of hollow grinds, every blade shape and grind have their advantages. A hollow ground blade is superior where one is not cutting very deep, such as in skinning. Cutting cardboard just using the thin portion of the blade rather than passing the spine through the cut. Line, cord, etc. a hollow grind excels.

The caged ball has worked very well. The "plastic" is really high tech stuff and will more than likely outperform most metals. What you might think "looks cheap" really isn't. High Tech materials have advantages.

The lock is strong, self adjusting and offers no play. the new Manix broke well into the "very heavy duty" range (MBC). It's stronger than the earlier Manix but at a lower weight and it's easier to clean. The beauty of the ball lock is that all of the strength is within a small area arojund the pivot and ball. Liners are not even necessary as in competitive locks. In addition, action on the ball locks is exceptional.

Think of it as a high-performance, light-weight tank.

He also plans an FRN version with texture like the E4/D4.

sal
 
Thanks Sal! I (and I'm sure everyone else) appreciate you keeping us in the loop and your participation on the forums is why Spyderco will always be #1 in my book. A S90V FFG Large Manix 2 sounds great to me! I am glad to see that Spyderco is attempting to reach a wider market in terms of price range and your explanation of this "broader appeal" Manix 2 now makes a lot of sense to me. While I will probably not buy this HG Manix 2 I wait in anticipation of the afi model!

When I handle any Spyderco I always marvel at how much thought went into the design and how refined each model is, so I have no doubt the Manix 2 will best its predecessor. That is, the FFG S90V model. :D
 
Referencing the excitement mentioned in my previous post...

As someone who loves appreciating knives of both very high and not so high quality as far as materials go, I am VERY excited to hear about the exploration of medium-end steels that is forthcoming!
 
ELU is End Line User. That's us. ;)

Afi is aficianado, or enthusiast. That's us, too. :D
 
Sal Glesser said:
Eric also plans a full flat grind S90V version following this one. (he may have already begun the run). He likes S90V and he also likes full flat grind. But that's more of an "afi" model.

sal
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Thanks for that update, Sal. Now I'm happy.

This afi ELU WDBTO (Will Definitely Buy That One)
 
Sal Glesser said:
Thanx Mike, We try to.

Eric is pretty busy right now so I'll chime in.

This model is the beginning of a long range plan. We also are not afraid to make improvements as we get feeedback for our customers as well as our own discriminating attitude in using our own designs.

Regarding the Jimping, Eric eliminated the jimping on the handle spine rear a while ago. He decided that it was abrasive to the hand going into the pocket past the knife. The rest of the jimping is quite useful, especially with gloves on.

On the steel, we're testing mid range materials to keep the price more competitive. 154Cm is no slouch steel. Eric also plans a full flat grind S90V version following this one. (he may have already begun the run). He likes S90V and he also likes full flat grind. But that's more of an "afi" model.

While we will continue to produce afi variations for you, me, Eric and crew, but we also need some lower cost variations if we are to serve all of our.
customers. You'll be seeing a number of good mid-range steels coming out in the next year as we balance cost and performance.

In defense of hollow grinds, every blade shape and grind have their advantages. A hollow ground blade is superior where one is not cutting very deep, such as in skinning. Cutting cardboard just using the thin portion of the blade rather than passing the spine through the cut. Line, cord, etc. a hollow grind excels.

The caged ball has worked very well. The "plastic" is really high tech stuff and will more than likely outperform most metals. What you might think "looks cheap" really isn't. High Tech materials have advantages.

The lock is strong, self adjusting and offers no play. the new Manix broke well into the "very heavy duty" range (MBC). It's stronger than the earlier Manix but at a lower weight and it's easier to clean. The beauty of the ball lock is that all of the strength is within a small area arojund the pivot and ball. Liners are not even necessary as in competitive locks. In addition, action on the ball locks is exceptional.

Think of it as a high-performance, light-weight tank.

He also plans an FRN version with texture like the E4/D4.

sal
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This is a great post with lots of great info and great news. Truthfully, I am more looking forward to the FRN version than the S90V version, though I hope to own all variants. I love the fact that the knife is stronger than the original Manix while using thinner blade stock, being smoother, and lighter weight. The removal of the back side jimping that would effect pocket retrieval is nice, but I sure like the rest of the jimping on the body to give you better grip on the knife. I've never complained about a knife being too secure in the hand, but certainly have complained about a knife being too slick. I also like your explanation of the benefits of a hollow grind, it was certainly better put than my defense of the hollow grind. Now if Spyderco would just put 12C27 in the knife it would be perfect!

Thanks for the great post and confirmation of the different variations of the Manix 2 we will be seeing. In these times not every knife can come in the latest "super" steel, and 154CM certainly hasn't become a bad steel since it was considered a top of the line steel a few years ago. Heck, I prefer properly heat treated AUS-8 or AEB-L or other steels of the like that get really sharp, even if I have to sharpen them a bit more. A Spyderedge gives a steel like that better edge retention than most PE super steels anyway. I look forward to seeing how the future models role out and what different steels we will see. I know the super steels will always be a sprint run or high priced model away, but seeing new and different steels in the base models that offer other properties than great CATRA numbers are something I look forward too.

Mike
 
Sal Glesser said:
Eric also plans a full flat grind S90V version following this one. (he may have already begun the run). He likes S90V and he also likes full flat grind.

sal
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That's what I'm talking about. As long as it has G10 handles, I'll be buying 2 of these.
 
Sal Glesser said:
This model is the beginning of a long range plan. We also are not afraid to make improvements as we get feeedback for our customers as well as our own discriminating attitude in using our own designs.

Regarding the Jimping, Eric eliminated the jimping on the handle spine rear a while ago. He decided that it was abrasive to the hand going into the pocket past the knife. The rest of the jimping is quite useful, especially with gloves on.

On the steel, we're testing mid range materials to keep the price more competitive. 154Cm is no slouch steel. Eric also plans a full flat grind S90V version following this one. (he may have already begun the run). He likes S90V and he also likes full flat grind. But that's more of an "afi" model.

While we will continue to produce afi variations for you, me, Eric and crew, but we also need some lower cost variations if we are to serve all of our customers. You'll be seeing a number of good mid-range steels coming out in the next year as we balance cost and performance.

In defense of hollow grinds, every blade shape and grind have their advantages. A hollow ground blade is superior where one is not cutting very deep, such as in skinning. Cutting cardboard just using the thin portion of the blade rather than passing the spine through the cut. Line, cord, etc. a hollow grind excels.

The caged ball has worked very well. The "plastic" is really high tech stuff and will more than likely outperform most metals. What you might think "looks cheap" really isn't. High Tech materials have advantages.

The lock is strong, self adjusting and offers no play. the new Manix broke well into the "very heavy duty" range (MBC). It's stronger than the earlier Manix but at a lower weight and it's easier to clean. The beauty of the ball lock is that all of the strength is within a small area arojund the pivot and ball. Liners are not even necessary as in competitive locks. In addition, action on the ball locks is exceptional.

Think of it as a high-performance, light-weight tank.

He also plans an FRN version with texture like the E4/D4.

sal
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This is exactly why I love Spyderco and their products. Thanks for the input Sal -- makes me more excited for the upcoming Manix2
 
Sal, Do these mid range steels have to be stainless? There are some not real costly steels that give excellent performance if you are willing to give up the "it has to be stainless" philosophy.

I personally grew up with carbon steel knives, but can understand a company not wanting to use carbon steels on knives NOT meant for AFI's. Thanks, Joe
 
"Eric also plans a full flat grind S90V version following this one."

Sold. And dear lord if its a larger version than this proto... SOOOLLDDD.
 
bammann45 said:
"Eric also plans a full flat grind S90V version following this one."

Sold. And dear lord if its a larger version than this proto... SOOOLLDDD.
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Yeah. Thats the one I would be interested in.
Hollow grind does not equate with hard use in my mind.
 
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