Massive Ice Age axe

I was an anthropology major and worked as an archeologist for a few years. Was originally accepted to a phd program to study neanderthal morphology, before I decided to go into ecology instead.

neanderthals were significantly more robustly built than early modern humans which were significantly stronger than people today. I don't think most people can fully appreciate how strong neanderthals likely were. their bones and muscle attachments were massive.

the statement that the hand axe was too big to be used is unbelievably ignorant. It's always been frustrating to me how archeologists/anthropologists consistently underestimate ancient people. even present day anthropologists will discuss how dim witted and primitive earlier anthropologists thought neandertals were which we've now discovered is not remotely correct, and at the same time continue to disregard or doubt any of their abilities/capabilities. The reason is that "we" think of ourselves as so superior and smart and 'better than' those who came before us, that we have to down play their abilities to make ourselves feel superior. Historians do the same thing.

if you are interested, look up the bracelet found at a Denisovan site in russia (denisovans were contemporaries of neanderthals who lived in asia while neanderthals lived in europe). the bracelet is super precise and intricate with a perfectly drilled hole in it suggesting the use of pretty sophistocated drills. but of course ancient people weren't capable of that kind of thing.

Humans have forgotten and lost more knowledge and skills to time than anyone would belive.

Oh and yes, J jfk1110 , the earths children book series is great. The clan of the cave bear is the first one. I had to read that in an anthropology class in the 90s and I've read it several other times. I've read the whole series. the later books are kind of pleistociene romance novels, as they pretty graphically detail the love life of Ayla and her love interest Jondalar, haha, but many of the tools, people and places referenced in the books are based on real archeological discoveries. They are fun to read.
 
Made out stone and some 28 and change centimeters long.
I wonder how much does it weight?
A tool used for breaking bones of killed large game or something?
Stone weighs about 40% of steel. A steel wedge that size would probably weigh about 7 pounds. So this might weigh about 3 pounds.

Extracting marrow from mammoth bones is a good guess for it's use.

Edited to add: The tool weighs 3.6 pounds.
 
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I was an anthropology major and worked as an archeologist for a few years. Was originally accepted to a phd program to study neanderthal morphology, before I decided to go into ecology instead.

neanderthals were significantly more robustly built than early modern humans which were significantly stronger than people today. I don't think most people can fully appreciate how strong neanderthals likely were. their bones and muscle attachments were massive.

the statement that the hand axe was too big to be used is unbelievably ignorant. It's always been frustrating to me how archeologists/anthropologists consistently underestimate ancient people. even present day anthropologists will discuss how dim witted and primitive earlier anthropologists thought neandertals were which we've now discovered is not remotely correct, and at the same time continue to disregard or doubt any of their abilities/capabilities. The reason is that "we" think of ourselves as so superior and smart and 'better than' those who came before us, that we have to down play their abilities to make ourselves feel superior. Historians do the same thing.

if you are interested, look up the bracelet found at a Denisovan site in russia (denisovans were contemporaries of neanderthals who lived in asia while neanderthals lived in europe). the bracelet is super precise and intricate with a perfectly drilled hole in it suggesting the use of pretty sophistocated drills. but of course ancient people weren't capable of that kind of thing.

Humans have forgotten and lost more knowledge and skills to time than anyone would belive.

Oh and yes, J jfk1110 , the earths children book series is great. The clan of the cave bear is the first one. I had to read that in an anthropology class in the 90s and I've read it several other times. I've read the whole series. the later books are kind of pleistociene romance novels, as they pretty graphically detail the love life of Ayla and her love interest Jondalar, haha, but many of the tools, people and places referenced in the books are based on real archeological discoveries. They are fun to read.
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I love the series...So much great information about life and what it entailed in that period...
I got my ex.to read.it by saying it would be a chick flick if a movie was done!!! I think a tv series would be awesome if it did justice to the books.

I re-read the series.every few years...Appreciate your response!! Thanx!!
 
Ya, they said might date that far back. Not sure why they would think it was that old and they gave no details. I think Britain didn't split off from mainland Europe until six to ten thousand years ago, so it was part of Europe then.
It was dated by its elevation between other local sites which had been dated by MIS, marine isotope stages. MIS is well understood and believed to be reliable. The MIS stages around the artifact are consistent with an age of 300,000 to 350,000 BP.

Source: https://intarch.ac.uk/journal/issue61/6/full-text.html
 
Stone weighs about 40% of steel. A steel wedge that size would probably weigh about 7 pounds. So this might weigh about 3 pounds.

Extracting marrow from mammoth bones is a good guess for it's use.

Edited to add: The tool weighs 3.6 pounds.
wow, so axes have weighed 3 1/2 lbs for hundreds of thousands of years! I guess you can't argue with success.
 
I think these were multi-purpose, if look there is a smooth indentation in the center of three of them, I believe these were also used for fire starting.
That's just the bulb of percussion or conchoidal fracture that you get when you strike off a flake of flint. Flint and other fine grained rocks (called cryptochrystaline) break like glass. Think of how a BB pops out a round bit of glass when it hits a window. Waves propagate out from the point of impact through the fine grained material.

With very fine pure obsidian it will fracture right down to the last molecule on the edge. Obsidian naturally fractures sharper than the sharpest knife or scalpel.

While cryptochrystaline rocks are extraordinarily sharp they are also brittle. A very fine edge won't stand up to impacts.
 
That's just the bulb of percussion or conchoidal fracture that you get when you strike off a flake of flint. Flint and other fine grained rocks (called cryptochrystaline) break like glass. Think of how a BB pops out a round bit of glass when it hits a window. Waves propagate out from the point of impact through the fine grained material.

With very fine pure obsidian it will fracture right down to the last molecule on the edge. Obsidian naturally fractures sharper than the sharpest knife or scalpel.

While cryptochrystaline rocks are extraordinarily sharp they are also brittle. A very fine edge won't stand up to impacts.

They, surgeons, are using flint/obsidian blades in surgery now and have been for a while...
It is significantly sharper than steel.... By a LOT.......Makes.for easy healing and less scarring too.... Pretty damn impressive I think.....
 
I think these were multi-purpose, if look there is a smooth indentation in the center of three of them, I believe these were also used for fire starting.View attachment 2245579
I think you're onto something and I doubt that they are there by chance with the two larger artifacts. Perhaps those indents might just be there to accommodate the grip, maybe a thumb or finger?

Just speculating, I still can't wrap my head around what those three were used for.
 
I think you're onto something and I doubt that they are there by chance with the two larger artifacts. Perhaps those indents might just be there to accommodate the grip, maybe a thumb or finger?

Just speculating, I still can't wrap my head around what those three were used for.
I think the indents are where the tip of the fire starter stick rested while the person spun it in some dry bark or grass to get the fire started. It probably was used like an ax but a fire starting stone would have probably been more valuable to them.
 
Y’all would really like this podcast about the Boneyard in Alaska. Check it out:

 
This is kind of what I was thinking when I looked at the original pics of the axe heads.Screen Shot 2023-07-19 at 2.58.19 PM.jpeg
 
That is what a fire drill hole looks like. The indentations in the flint axes shown earlier are bulbs of percussion left from making the tool.
 
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