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Does anyone know whether these are going to be standard production or sprints?
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Maxamet Native and Manix
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I kind of felt the same way. With it being such a rough and tough kind of steel, kind of seems weird that it's being started in the lightweight models.
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I think they started with the Manix 2 LW & Native 5 LW when they started using S110V too.
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No on the N5, but they did start with the Manix 2 lightweight.
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S110V was used on the 2013 Spyderco Forum Native 5 first.
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Do you know what was released after the Manix 2 LW? I thought both the Manix 2 and Native 5 LW's were out before any of the G10/Blurple models. Doesn't really matter, just curious. Nothing's even been said about any other Maxamet models coming out after the 2 that have been mentioned. Just speculation at this point.
Yeah I guess I should've been more clear. I have a 2013 Forum Native. I was referring to the dark blue/blurple standard production models.
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Spyderco is pushing the limits of possibility with these knives. I think this is great. :thumbup:
I am not all starry-eyed about these super high carbide steels, but I would nevertheless buy one to check it out. Where else would you go to try a steel like this?
I think the Manix LW is a great test platform, almost like a "folding mule" (the Native is a bit small IMO). The Manix provides a full secure grip, solid lock, good clip, and in a decent size and light weight, without breaking the bank. It can be carried as an EDC or work knife, which is nice because it makes real-world testing possible for those of us who does not carry around fixed blades.
I am not all starry-eyed about these super high carbide steels, but I would nevertheless buy one to check it out. Where else would you go to try a steel like this?
I think the Manix LW is a great test platform, almost like a "folding mule" (the Native is a bit small IMO). The Manix provides a full secure grip, solid lock, good clip, and in a decent size and light weight, without breaking the bank. It can be carried as an EDC or work knife, which is nice because it makes real-world testing possible for those of us who does not carry around fixed blades.
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Interesting chart, from Carpenter. Note Maxamet, M4 and A11 (CPM-10V) steels.
The chart does not say at which hardness the steels are, and is intended for marketing purposes, so I would not take it as the final word on these steels, but it gives and interesting perspective on the general pecking order.
According to this chart, it seems like Maxamet has about 30% more wear resistance than M4, but 30-40% less toughness than M4.
The chart does not say at which hardness the steels are, and is intended for marketing purposes, so I would not take it as the final word on these steels, but it gives and interesting perspective on the general pecking order.
According to this chart, it seems like Maxamet has about 30% more wear resistance than M4, but 30-40% less toughness than M4.
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Haven't had any corrosion issues with the Maxamet mule yet but I would definitely say S110V is superior in that category.
I can say this: so far the Maxamet mule has outdone all my other mules, including the S110V mule.
Maxamet is loaded with Tungsten and is a very aggressive cutting steel.
The advantage seems to be wear resistance. Ankerson took his Maxamet mule to 1940 rope cuts, and that's with edge shoulders 0.018 inches wide. By comparison, the S110V mule with an almost identical edge width got only 600 rope cuts.
The Maxamet mule is really hard -- 67-68 Rc, according to Ankerson -- so that's an advantage. Ankerson was also really cagey about the toughness of Maxamet; so there's that issue to understand. If Maxamet is getting its wear resistance from exceptionally high hardness, it might be prone to chipping/breaking.
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The better comparison would be the S110V Military vs the MAXAMET Mule, they were close to the same thickness behind the edge, .018" to the Mule and .020" for the Military.
1080 for the Military and 1940 for the Mule.
The S110V Mule was 60 HRC and the Maxamet was 67-68.
The S110V Military was 63-64....
However it is notable that the Manix 2's and Native 5's are usually in the .030" range and not .015" (Out of the box) like the Mule.
Military and Para 2's are usually thinner in the .020" to .025" range.
The Manix 2 should be interesting and I believe people will enjoy it.
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I don't think that maxamet is a very tough steel is it? Less so than s110v I believe.
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I am most curious to see how this steel sharpens. I can get any steel sharp with diamonds but different steels respond differently. ZDP189, s110v, s30v, m4, hap40...all of them will sharpen fairly easily but all take slightly different edges off the same stones (some more or less aggressive, some with more or less tooth). I'm curious to see where maxamet falls in the mix.
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Dark gray (or is it dark grey
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Image courtesy of Spyderco, sorry for the low resolution - it's a screen shot.
Dark gray (or is it dark grey
Image courtesy of Spyderco, sorry for the low resolution - it's a screen shot.
Or is it just a black and white photo?
I don't think anyone has posted the exact wording from the email, and I didn't get it, so did they actually say the color in the email description?
The published chart put its toughness lower than M4, but that doesn't really tell us where it fits with respect to S110V. Original speculation was that it might have a low toughness for use in a knife application but apparently it is working out fairly well.