Medical Department, United States Navy

Here are a couple more that I found packed away. One is your basic 4-Blade Army Engineers knife. It’s probably a parts knife, having a main blade that doesn’t even come close to sitting flush on the backside with the other tools, steel liners or springs.

The second knife appears at first to be an old Navy and Coast Guard General Utility Knife. But the tang stamp is much older, indicating that it was most likely made in the late 1920’s. Another example of how many of the WW2 traditional patterns were simply older civilian patterns repurposed for the war effort.

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I may not use carbon steel as often these days, but I still love to collect vintage Camillus scout knives, and the WW2-era “Engineers Knives” in particular. There’s just something about these knives that I can’t give up. Maybe it’s the fact that I’m fascinated by the scout pattern. It’s possibly because of the wonderful aged bone that one finds on these models. Perhaps it’s due to the incredible fit of these knives; far surpassing most modern scouts. These were mass produced war knives, made by some of the world’s finest cutlers, a dying breed at that time.

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My newest acquisition is the ‘Bureau of Medicine and Surgery, Jackknife “Boy Scout” type’. It’s very similar to the plethora of other scout knives issued to US troops during World War 2, but with a different shaped shield that is stamped M.D.-U.S.N., which stands for Medical Department - United States Navy. The specs for this knife are quite interesting in that they specify a range of hardness for all blades, at 56 to 61RC, harder than many traditionals made today, as well as a specific carbon content. The Navy also requested that the pivot pins and shackle on this knife be made of nickel/silver, although I don’t see any evidence that this spec was ever followed. So other than the shield, this knife is pretty much identical to all of the other engineers knives that follow the U.S. Army Engineers 17-170 specification and the Navy 41-J specification. For those interested in seeing some of the original war time documentation on this knife, a PDF is available from the Collectors-of-Camillus website. Just scroll down to page 14.

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This particular knife has seen some hard use, but still has a lot of life left in it. All blades have superb walk and talk, with no wobble. The bone has no cracks. The can opener is in fine condition, as is the cap lifter/screwdriver. The awl needs just a tiny bit of firework to bring the tip back to a point. The main blade has lost just a small amount of the tip, and has been ground down accordingly. I did have to file down the kick to get the new point down below the bolsters. And a very small chip had be sharpened out of the edge. But overall, the knife is still perfectly functional.

Here are a few pictures of my Camillus engineers knife collection thus far. I have a few duplicates, but here is the 'M.D. - U.S.N.' knife issued to Navy Corpsmen, 'U.S.A.' knife issued to the Army, the blank shield issued to the Bureau of Aeronautics, and the version with no shield for Army quartermaster contracts and sold at PX's. There are still a number of other versions for me to find as well, such as the U.S.M.C. knife and the 3-blade U.S.N. model, that I'll try to pick up some day when funds allow.

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Great Post. Thanks!!!!
 
Someone has to figure out how to jig bone like that again!!
It is incredible stuff!!

I wholeheartedly agree. The highly patterned jigging we have today looks great, but just doesn't possess the artistry of much of the older bone.
 
Wow!!! That is a gorgeous knife. So pristine. Thank you so much for posting it. I’ve always wondered exactly what the original full shape looked like on the main blade. And that shield stamp is so deep and clean. Your example is incredibly perfect. Does it have brass or steel liners?

All steel Buzz.
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I may not use carbon steel as often these days, but I still love to collect vintage Camillus scout knives, and the WW2-era “Engineers Knives” in particular. There’s just something about these knives that I can’t give up. Maybe it’s the fact that I’m fascinated by the scout pattern. It’s possibly because of the wonderful aged bone that one finds on these models. Perhaps it’s due to the incredible fit of these knives; far surpassing most modern scouts. These were mass produced war knives, made by some of the world’s finest cutlers, a dying breed at that time.

cyCQYTDh.jpg


My newest acquisition is the ‘Bureau of Medicine and Surgery, Jackknife “Boy Scout” type’. It’s very similar to the plethora of other scout knives issued to US troops during World War 2, but with a different shaped shield that is stamped M.D.-U.S.N., which stands for Medical Department - United States Navy. The specs for this knife are quite interesting in that they specify a range of hardness for all blades, at 56 to 61RC, harder than many traditionals made today, as well as a specific carbon content. The Navy also requested that the pivot pins and shackle on this knife be made of nickel/silver, although I don’t see any evidence that this spec was ever followed. So other than the shield, this knife is pretty much identical to all of the other engineers knives that follow the U.S. Army Engineers 17-170 specification and the Navy 41-J specification. For those interested in seeing some of the original war time documentation on this knife, a PDF is available from the Collectors-of-Camillus website. Just scroll down to page 14.

wQvwJKeh.jpg


This particular knife has seen some hard use, but still has a lot of life left in it. All blades have superb walk and talk, with no wobble. The bone has no cracks. The can opener is in fine condition, as is the cap lifter/screwdriver. The awl needs just a tiny bit of firework to bring the tip back to a point. The main blade has lost just a small amount of the tip, and has been ground down accordingly. I did have to file down the kick to get the new point down below the bolsters. And a very small chip had be sharpened out of the edge. But overall, the knife is still perfectly functional.

Here are a few pictures of my Camillus engineers knife collection thus far. I have a few duplicates, but here is the 'M.D. - U.S.N.' knife issued to Navy Corpsmen, 'U.S.A.' knife issued to the Army, the blank shield issued to the Bureau of Aeronautics, and the version with no shield for Army quartermaster contracts and sold at PX's. There are still a number of other versions for me to find as well, such as the U.S.M.C. knife and the 3-blade U.S.N. model, that I'll try to pick up some day when funds allow.

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Beautiful set. Father in law just passed away and has about 30 plus with shields and without. Think I’m going to keep a few.
 
You stole it ! 👍
Yes I like to think I did, funny story. I got this from a guy who buys gaylords full of knives that are confiscated from airports, hard to believe someone was carrying it. Yes, I plan on carrying it.
 
Yes I like to think I did, funny story. I got this from a guy who buys gaylords full of knives that are confiscated from airports, hard to believe someone was carrying it. Yes, I plan on carrying it.

It looks to be in good shape. Is the punch in good shape as well ?
 
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