Members Beware - FAKE ZT350 - Crazy Real Looking - of Amazon

AtechReviews said:
Still can't see it...
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Sorry, I'm not all that great when it comes to posting pictures. Anyway, the pocket clip screws take a T6 torx bit, it is assisted opening, the box is black with a blue ZT logo on it, and it came wrapped in a bubble wrap sleeve with a instruction booklet, there are bar codes on both ends of the box, there is a round stamp on the inside of the box flap, a circle around a 9 over 17.
It sounds similar to what you describe as being the real deal.
 
Hello, wow this thread seems to really hate Amazon. I'm sorry that you bought a fake. But, I've bought so many knives from amazon without any issues. The key is, you buy from the amazon company and not some random user on the site. There is a difference between the company amazon selling the item, or a random person selling on amazon. Frankly, amazon has nothing to do with this... seems like a a lot of unnecessary hate for amazon here lol.
 
No hate for Amazon...
It's just more of a wild west show than other large retail sites.
Like you stated Amazon allows sellers that have no affiliation with the company proper.

That's where problems can arise.
 
Gideons said:
Hello, wow this thread seems to really hate Amazon. I'm sorry that you bought a fake. But, I've bought so many knives from amazon without any issues. The key is, you buy from the amazon company and not some random user on the site. There is a difference between the company amazon selling the item, or a random person selling on amazon. Frankly, amazon has nothing to do with this... seems like a a lot of unnecessary hate for amazon here lol.
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yeah that what happens most times, but folks are swapping fakes into real packaging and returning them to amazon, so you might get a fake. amazons return policy is great..too great. so they take anything back, but their robots restock and reship as is, no one checks it, to you. ive gotten obviously used items from amazon and it happens more than once in a lifetime. i never use their 3rd party sellers and shippers. amazon itself has got real problems right now.

the return policies are also so great scammers are abusing it. its ramping up every day. do what ya want but if ya want a real knife without any doubt spend the same or less at one of these great knife dealers here who know their products and care about their customers so much youll never accidently get a fake.
 
TheEdge01 said:
Sorry, I'm not all that great when it comes to posting pictures. Anyway, the pocket clip screws take a T6 torx bit, it is assisted opening, the box is black with a blue ZT logo on it, and it came wrapped in a bubble wrap sleeve with a instruction booklet, there are bar codes on both ends of the box, there is a round stamp on the inside of the box flap, a circle around a 9 over 17.
It sounds similar to what you describe as being the real deal.
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Are you saying these differences are the ONLY differences you can find? The machining of and the hardness of the steel, g10, etc. are equivalent? Also, what was the price paid?
 
jbmonkey said:
yeah that what happens most times, but folks are swapping fakes intp real packaging and returning them to amazon, so you might get a fake. amazons return policy is great..too great. so they take anythign back, but the restock.adn reship ot to you. ive gotten obviously used items from amazon and it happens more than once in a lifetime. i never use thero 3rd party sellers and shippers. they got real problems right now.

the return policies are also so great scammers are abusing it. its ramping up every day. do what ya want but if ya want a real knife without any doubt spend the same or less at one of these great knife dealers here who know their products and care about their customers so much youll never accidently get a fake.
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Amazon re-shipping returned Merch. is not entirely true.
It's more of a wives tale.

I will (if you want) lead you to at least one wholesale auction site.
These sites specialize in selling auction lots of returned Merch. from Amazom, Home Depot, Lowes, WalMart, and countless others.
The reason for these auction sites is to avoid just the situation posted above.

On one of these 100lb auction lots, you may get a toaster, a bra, 12 toilets, a bench grinder, and a potentially fake knife. That's why none of the top retailers re-sell returned Merch..

To spare their customers being harmed.

3rd party sellers... wild west bro!
 
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TheEdge01 said:
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Hopefully this link will work. This pic shows the clip side of my knife.
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I just made this. Spread it to whoever needs help.

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Yonose said:
Are you saying these differences are the ONLY differences you can find? The machining of and the hardness of the steel, g10, etc. are equivalent? Also, what was the price paid?
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Every thing I listed in my post are the features on the knife I purchased. The knife appears to be made well, G10 handles, thick liners, etc. I bought mine from a sporting goods store a while back, they had it priced at 139, and came down to 125. It kind of alarmed me that a couple features the op described on his fake 0350 are similar on mine. Mine is the sw version, his is the bw version. I just want to confirm it is the real deal, I don't know who their supplier is.
 
TheEdge01 said:
Every thing I listed in my post are the features on the knife I purchased. The knife appears to be made well, G10 handles, thick liners, etc. I bought mine from a sporting goods store a while back, they had it priced at 139, and came down to 125. It kind of alarmed me that a couple features the op described on his fake 0350 are similar on mine. Mine is the sw version, his is the bw version. I just want to confirm it is the real deal, I don't know who their supplier is.
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That's the average price for that model, yours looks authentic. My question was meant for the op, I guess I replied to the wrong post. If he paid $20, its not genuine, but that should be obvious by the quality of the materials used. Companies can change lettering, screw sizes, etc every time they produce a new run of the same knife.
 
I just wrote a post about this issue on my blog:

How to spot a fake Zero Tolerance ZT0350 knife?

Saw this question on one of the forums and decided to post an answer on the blog as well.

Fake ZT0350s have appeared on the Chinese platforms a couple of months ago and sold for about ~$20.

They come in 3 handle color options - Black, Orange and Jade (the natural color of G10).
The finish on the blade and the pocket clip is blackwash (or acid stonewash, where the blade is first darkened by acid and later stonewashed).
The measurements are quite similar to the genuine knife:
Overall length - 7 3/4" or 19.9 cm.
Blade length - 3.25" or 8.25 mm.
But the weight is different - 6.5 oz vs 6.2 oz on the original, that is probably because the liners aren't skeletonized in any way.
The main difference is in the pivot mechanism.
Genuine Zero Tolerance 0350 has a Speedsafe assisted opening mechanism and runs on washers.
The fake on the other hand has steel bearings in the pivot and isn't assisted in any way.
The back of the pivot has a hexagon shape (also prevents it from free spinning), while on the fake it's round.
Another huge tell is the blade stopping method - on the genuine knife the blade is being stopped by the thumb studs hitting the liners, while the fake has an internal stop pin.
The markings on the fake are made in white and serial number on the one I have is 7049 (will probably be the same on all of the knives).
The marking on the clip is painted on the fake as opposed to engraved on the genuine.

So, while it could be a bit different to tell the fake from a picture - if you get the knife in hand it will be much much easier to do.

Here is a video of the fake knife:


Compare it to yours and you will see if yours is genuine or a fake.
 
Wow that's again disheartening to see how hard fakes are getting to spot.

Fun facts:

- I know a lady whose husband was working at an Amazon warehouse while in college, he got fired for reporting a suspected fake returned item. They said he was derilict in his duties bc the time he took to inspect and report cut down his processing efficiency rating.

- Amazon is well known for being an utterly horrible company to work for, at all levels. Look up The NY Times piece from a year or so ago, it's pretty eye opening. Rumor is lately that Bezos has a minder who is basically supposed to help prevent him from going to totally over the top with his (frequent) tyrades...his theatrics were making it hard to attract exec level talent from other companies.
 
Not so fun fact:
Their pick/pack/shipping centers are staffed by Temp. workers from labor halls in some of the most economically depressed areas of the country. They build these centers in these areas to take advantage of low real estate value, and cheap labor.
If a worker is injured or killed Amazon has ZERO liability. There have been scores of horrific injuries, and 2 reported deaths due to un-trained machine workers
This is documented fact, and is easily verified.

I posted in another thread that walyWorlds known bad practices pale in compare to Amazons.
 
TheEdge01 said:
When you said the logo is painted, were you talking about the logo on your clip? If so, some clips come painted, and others are stamped. The clip looks like a real ZT pocket clip to me.
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If some ZT clip comes painted ZT logo, I assume the black should not be glossy.
 
We sell on Amazon and I can tell you that fakes are a big problem there. Usually it is the "too good to be true" deal. If you are on Amazon you will see a bunch of people selling them at MAP with a good long feedback history. Those will be legit and the seller will have legit names like Northwest Cutlery or Cutlerymania or DLT Trading....so on and so forth. Then there is the seller that is way below MAP price and has some odd name like "LuckyFlowerSale" . That is the good deal and also the fake.
 
Zombie411 said:
Amazon re-shipping returned Merch. is not entirely true.
It's more of a wives tale.

I will (if you want) lead you to at least one wholesale auction site.
These sites specialize in selling auction lots of returned Merch. from Amazom, Home Depot, Lowes, WalMart, and countless others.
The reason for these auction sites is to avoid just the situation posted above.

On one of these 100lb auction lots, you may get a toaster, a bra, 12 toilets, a bench grinder, and a potentially fake knife. That's why none of the top retailers re-sell returned Merch..

To spare their customers being harmed.

3rd party sellers... wild west bro!
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not a wives tale. ive gotten used product from amazon sold and shipped by amazon. more than a few tiems. now maybe badly damaged packaging returned goes to your auction site, but otherwise stuck on shelf and reshipped.
 
As far as I know, that is not standard policy for any large retailer.
The liability gets out of control.

Imagine what an ill mind could do to products if he/she knew they would be readily redistributed. A simple "no re-sale" policy assures that this does not happen.
But yes... Things do fall thru the cracks sometimes.

Here is one of the sites... http://www.liquidation.com/auction/view?id=12342245
There are a few dozen more. They (the auction sites) also bid on the pallets, and re-sell them with STRICK rules on suitability to purpose.
Another issue is people buying these lots, and cherry picking for re-sale on other popular sites. So what started as a return to Amazon goes thru several hands, and winds up back on Amazon.

Capitalism at it's core. Me, me ,me...
 
On the other hand, I've bought several used-like new or used-very good blades from Amazon warehouse deals, at a pretty good discount, and they were the real deal and in mint condition!
 
Zombie411 said:
Or WERE they... LOL :oops:
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Yes, absolutely! I don't know how amz whse fits in with the companies' business model as other posters described, and their rating is pretty low at ~80%, but my experience with them; 2 ss plain edge enduras at $60, a bk9 at $80, had no problems or defects whatsoever, except shipping was exceptionally slow on the bk9. Maybe I got lucky
 
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