Metal Detector Dilemma

Greg said:
G'day,
The last time I flew around the States (just on a year ago) I had to take off my sandals 'cause the metal buckle and the small metal sole stiffener had to be x-rayed and inspected. They both set off the metal detectors.
A friend was relieved of her 1.5 inch nail file as it was a dangerous weapon.
Don't worry about being disarmed though--they gave us 3 inch steel steak knives with our meal!
Go figure.
Greg
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Bolding mine for emphasis

:D ROFLMAO. That is black humor if I ever saw it.
 
I got a serrated edge plastic knife with my in-flight meal last week. I asked the stewardess if it was safe for me to use. She said they withdrew that ban a while back. Hopefully the knee jerkers will fall back to sleep and pocket knives will be legal again. Someone (so I overheard ;) ) carried a 6 inch pair of scissors ,unknowingly, thru security recently that were not detected. I know of instances where the detectors were inop for some reason and they just pretend to scan as folks pass by. There are many weapons available to be carried aboard which I will not detail. You Al-kinda guys lurk everywhere. I am watching you.
I am a fan of arming everyone. Surprise!
 
Funny topic. Last week I went to the air show at Offut Air Force Base. There were guards sleeping :yawn: and the metal detector did not go off when I walked through with a pocket knife. Then the guard doing the wand thingie, didn't even check me. :confused: I hope that the Commander of the Guard reads this. Maybe some heads will roll. :mad:
 
Maybe if you tell a really funny bomb joke, the security screeners will be too busy laughing to properly screen you.
 
fedaykincmndr said:
Has anyone ever carried a blade or like device past a metal detector? QUOTE]

About two years ago I went to the county courthouse to pay an overdue traffic ticket and I had to pass through security with a metal detector to get to the clerk's office. The clerk told me how much I owed and I emptied my pocket on the counter to write out a check and there lay my checkbook, my pen, a paper clip, piece of string, and my Super Tinker SAK right in plain sight. I just calmly scooped everything up but the checkbook and pen, put it back in my pocket, paid the fine and left. Nobody said a word and nary an eyebrow was raised - but I'll be a little more careful next time.
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In situations where there are metal detectors and knives are specifically restricted such as government buildings and airports I don't even think about it, as silly as the restrictions seem to me.

Now when there are metal detectors at places like theme parks, or sporting events, or wherever I don't see a sign that says "No Knives" I carry. Typically I carry a Ti handled 6K bladed knife and have yet to have the detectors go off. Occasionally I've had a steel folder and have just held it in my hand with my keys, or tossed it in the bucket, and had no problems. So far I've only had to go back to the car once.
 
Metal detectors are set at various levels, u can lower your magnetic profile by lowering the amount of metal on your person. No metal in shoes, no belt buckle, no coins, no watch and carry a non metalic SD tool(kubotan, plastic knives, ice scraper, stinger etc). U can even buy a ceramic knife with only a small amount of metal inside. If u want to carry inside a controlled enviroment attach it to your keychain, and put it in the coin tray, i carried a small knife with a 1' blade and a steel streamlight LED kubotan into a flight from Tunesia to Belgium without a problem.
 
I am not worried about someone coming on board with a knife. Nobody is going to sit by and let an airplane get hijacked with a knife again. The TSA has figured that out and has greatly broadened their list of things you can't take on an airplane. Note that at the bottom of the list they mention very large financial penalties if you are caught. They started enforcing that within the last few months and you are looking at paying hundreds of dollars if you get cute. Notice that they are on the lookout for people trying to hijack airplanes using toy Transformer robots..........(more than meets the eye)..

Items prohibited from aircraft cabins:

The following items will not be allowed through the security checkpoint. Please note that this list is not all-inclusive. In addition to items specifically listed here other items that may be deemed to present a potential threat may also be prohibited.

* Ammunition
* Automatic weapons
* Axes
* Baseball bats
* BB guns
* Billy clubs
* Blackjacks
* Blasting caps
* Bows and arrows
* Box cutters
* Brass knuckles
* Bull whips
* Cattle prods
* Compressed air guns
* Corkscrews
* Cricket bats
* Crow bars
* Disabling chemicals or gases
* Dog repellent spray
* Dynamite
* Fire extinguishers
* Flare pistols
* Golf clubs
* Gun lighters
* Gunpowder
* Hammers
* Hand grenades
* Hatchets
* Hockey sticks
* Hunting knives
* Ice axe/Ice pick
* Knives (any length)
* Kubatons
* Large heavy tools (such as wrenches pliers etc.)
* Mace
* Martial arts devices
* Meat cleavers
* Metal scissors with pointed tips
* Numchucks
* Pellet guns
* Pen knives
* Pepper spray
* Pistols
* Plastic explosives
* Pool cues
* Portable power drills
* Portable power saws
* Razor blades (not in a cartridge)
* Religious knives
* Replica weapons
* Revolvers
* Rifles
* Road flares
* SCUBA knives
* Sabers
* Screwdrivers
* Shot guns
* Ski poles
* Spear guns
* Starter pistols
* Straight razors
* Stun guns/shocking devices
* Swords
* Tear gas
* Throwing stars
* Toy transformer robots (this toy forms a toy gun)
* Toy weapons

Passengers should be aware that there are no provisions for returning banned items to them when they are left at the security checkpoint. In addition those who attempt to bring banned items through the checkpoints are subject to civil penalties of up to $1 100 per violation in addition to criminal penalties.
 
who the **** is going to try to hijack a plane with a pool cue or hockey stick, that's ridiculous
 
Jeff Clark said:
I am not worried about someone coming on board with a knife. Nobody is going to sit by and let an airplane get hijacked with a knife again. The TSA has figured that out and has greatly broadened their list of things you can't take on an airplane. Note that at the bottom of the list they mention very large financial penalties if you are caught. They started enforcing that within the last few months and you are looking at paying hundreds of dollars if you get cute. Notice that they are on the lookout for people trying to hijack airplanes using toy Transformer robots..........(more than meets the eye)..

Items prohibited from aircraft cabins:

The following items will not be allowed through the security checkpoint. Please note that this list is not all-inclusive. In addition to items specifically listed here other items that may be deemed to present a potential threat may also be prohibited.

* Ammunition
* Automatic weapons
* Axes
* Baseball bats
* BB guns
* Billy clubs
* Blackjacks
* Blasting caps
* Bows and arrows
* Box cutters
* Brass knuckles
* Bull whips
* Cattle prods
* Compressed air guns
* Corkscrews
* Cricket bats
* Crow bars
* Disabling chemicals or gases
* Dog repellent spray
* Dynamite
* Fire extinguishers
* Flare pistols
* Golf clubs
* Gun lighters
* Gunpowder
* Hammers
* Hand grenades
* Hatchets
* Hockey sticks
* Hunting knives
* Ice axe/Ice pick
* Knives (any length)
* Kubatons
* Large heavy tools (such as wrenches pliers etc.)
* Mace
* Martial arts devices
* Meat cleavers
* Metal scissors with pointed tips
* Numchucks
* Pellet guns
* Pen knives
* Pepper spray
* Pistols
* Plastic explosives
* Pool cues
* Portable power drills
* Portable power saws
* Razor blades (not in a cartridge)
* Religious knives
* Replica weapons
* Revolvers
* Rifles
* Road flares
* SCUBA knives
* Sabers
* Screwdrivers
* Shot guns
* Ski poles
* Spear guns
* Starter pistols
* Straight razors
* Stun guns/shocking devices
* Swords
* Tear gas
* Throwing stars
* Toy transformer robots (this toy forms a toy gun)
* Toy weapons

Passengers should be aware that there are no provisions for returning banned items to them when they are left at the security checkpoint. In addition those who attempt to bring banned items through the checkpoints are subject to civil penalties of up to $1 100 per violation in addition to criminal penalties.
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Yeah, I thought it was very amusing when I saw kill bill and she is on the plane with her new sword right next to her.
:eek:
 
You know, they can take my knives, but when they tell me I can't get on the plane with my hand grenades, well, that's where I get mad! :) Guess I'll have to make do with a flamethrower...

Seriously though, we're all overlooking something so obvious, and so effective, some paper, ever get a really bad paper cut? :)
 
I've forgotten to take the Swiss UtiliKey off my keyring and taken it on several flights. Never intended to, but it passed through XRay without a problem.

I met a kayaker two weeks ago who showed me a cobalt bladed folder he used on the ocean--Boye was the name IIRC. He claimed it wouldnt' show up in a metal detector because there was no Fe in it. I don't know if that's true or not, but I know I wouldn't want to have one of those or a CIA letter opener and worry about having to explain it to TSA.

Now, an amusement park or other venue where it is not posted and not illegal is another matter.
 
Wow, is that kayaker in for a real surprise. A metal detector detects metal. Cobalt is a metal. David Boye's cobalt blades will not corrode, they will not rust, but they will show up very well by metal detector. Same goes for titanium. Non-magnetic, but metal. Current technology will show it up, too.
 
Hi All-

It looks like we might be straying a bit from Fedaykincmndr's original post at the top of this thread. I don't think anyone here is going to advocate trying to sneak a knife onto an airplane or courthouse. Those arenas have been regulated for years...

The problem that many face (especially folks who live/work in cities) is that metal detectors are popping-up like mushrooms at everything from movie theaters to shopping malls. Places that don't yet have a metal detector utilize the low-tech solution of manual bag searches by pimply 16-year-olds for "contraband" items in their quest to end terrorism.

To give you an example, you can walk around with a folding knife in New York City completely adhering to the letter of the law. Now say you and a bunch of friends want to go to the Empire State Building...Oops, no knives allowed! You'll have to wait on the corner of 34th Street and Broadway while your friends visit the observation deck. You spend the rest of the day in Central Park and even use your folder to slice apples. Cops walk by and wave as you use the knife to spread peanut butter on the apple wedges.

In the evening, you take the subway out to Shea Stadium to see the Mets play. You even have expensive seats behind home plate but...Oops, no knives allowed! There are no locker facilities and the police refuse to hold your custom blade for you...but they suggest that you can either throw it in the garbage can or hide it in some nearby bushes. Great solution for the knife your father gave you on his deathbed six years earlier...**

If the sheeple keep it up, we will de facto be deprived of our knives because every corner Quickie-Mart will have a metal detector along with the video store, drycleaner, Dunkin' Donuts, and barbershop. Does it make sense on how dealing with intrusive metal detectors is going to become a necessary skill? I don't believe Fedaykincmndr had criminal intentions in mind.

Regards,

~ Blue Jays ~

** If ever denied stadium entry due to your blade, please take my advice:
  • Tell your friends you'll meet them inside and walk to the complete OPPOSITE side of the stadium furthest from your seats.
  • Typically, you can find decorative trees on the edges of parking facilities. Open your knife and drive it completely into the dirt until invisible. Mark the site with a unique arrangement of garbage to allow you to find the planter/grass patch to later recover your knife.
  • Backtrack to entrance to ensure you weren't followed. If you cache your knife in view of security, they will steal it as sure as sunrise.
  • This technique has been personally employed by me in no less than four occasions in the past four years with 100% success. You'll just need to blast the grit and mud out of your folder before use.
 
ayzianboy said:
who the **** is going to try to hijack a plane with a pool cue or hockey stick, that's ridiculous
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That rule has was in effect before 9/11. In 1996 I was told that my pool cue (carried in a soft case) could not be placed in checked luggage (afraid of breakage) and could not be carried on board. It would have to be carried by the pilot to my ultimate destination.
 
A pool cue can't fly with me but a cane or walking stick can. A pool cue, expensive and relatively delicate might be a weapon :rolleyes: but my Canemasters, optimized for combat, is okaayyy!

Freaking idiots. Mentally lazy, morally decrepit, bound to fail, as two planeloads of Russians just found out.
 
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