Metal Polishes, Metal Waxes & Metal Cleaners, Lubes?

[Amoo]

Whatever passes the test is designated CLP by the military.

So far the only list I can find is what ever is presently qualified.
http://qpldocs.dla.mil/search/parts.aspx?qpl=2438 ← click on CLP
http://qpldocs.dla.mil/search/print_govt_mfg.aspx?govt=34474185

I still have some breakfree left from the 90s. If that ever runs out, I'll probably choose from a present list.

Wait wait wait, the military used an acronym for an entire kind of products even knowing one with that name already exists....I would have never....

I should definitely include one of these in my testing....time to go do some research on all of them to see if any of them are "the greatest thing since sliced bread".

EDIT: Thank you for clarifying that by the way.

 

[JD Spydo]

To "Loonybin" Hey I'm sort of surprised to hear that about Militec because I've been using ever since I got my first bottle of it from a Benchmade booth at one of the Gun Shows here in KC, MO USA. I've also used their synthetic grease for all kinds of applications with good results as well. I'm curious as to why you don't like it. I'm always wanting to hear the other side of the story.

Also I'm surprised that few people anymore seem to like "SENTRY SOLUTIONS" great products. I've been using TUF-CLOTH and the Marine Grade of it on several tools and not just knives with great results. Their BP-2000 dry lube is about the best dry lube I've used to date. It works great on my Spyderco DODO model with the ball bearing locking system.

Speaking of dry lubes like graphite, PTFE and so forth what do you all like in that sector?

 

[jpm2]

Wait wait wait, the military used an acronym for an entire kind of products even knowing one with that name already exists....I would have never....

It's the other way around. The military came up with it, marketers use it to give the impression their product is milspec.
Yes,you should include one presently on the list.
You're welcome.

Edit: More info on CLP
From the 03/16/08 version of the Third Edition of M14 Rifle History and Development:

Cleaner, Lubricant, Preservative - The all-purpose weapons liquid Cleaner, Lubricant and Preservative (CLP) was adopted by the U. S. Department of Defense some time before July 1979 with promulgation of military specification MIL-L-63460. CLP replaced several different small and large caliber weapons cleaners, lubricants and preservatives in the U. S. military supply system. Where allowed by the operations and maintenance manual, e.g., Mk 14 Mod 0, CLP is authorized for use in lieu of rifle bore cleaner (MIL-PRF-372), medium preservative and lubricating oil (MIl-PRF-3150), low temperature weapons lubricant (MIL-PRF-14107), automatic weapons lubricant (MIL-L-46000) and rifle grease (MIL-G-46003). For normal climate care, CLP is the specified lubricant for the M14 DMR and the Mk 14 Mod 0 per the operator level manuals published by the U. S. Marine Corps and U. S. Navy.

 

[Mo2]

Lubrication 101
http://www.grantcunningham.com/2006/05/lubrication-101/

Also as I mentioned before you guys should look into Bob is the oil guy forums. Here's an example of a test used by oil and lube companies to pull one over on consumer's, if you see timkin test being done, avoid it.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3150338

Here's an article as about nano diamonds in cars and how it's not good and why.
http://www.drivenracingoil.com/news/dro/training-center/articles/can-nanotechnology-make-faster/


http://www.breachbangclear.com/fake-science-bullshit-and-your-favorite-gun-lube/

I suppose the good news is that whatever lube you’re currently using is probably just fine for general use, but you’re likely overpaying for it. Be wary of magic lubes, ask for actual, not anecdotal, proof of claims, and be a skeptical consumer. As Carl Sagan once said, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.

Put another way: If it sounds like bullshit, it probably is until proven otherwise.

Enjoy.

 

[Amoo]

Wait, your big claim to certainty is an article written in 2006? Surely nothing has changed since then....

Also who mentioned anything about nano diamonds? THat sounds like a terrible idea to begin with

 

[Mo2]

Wait, your big claim to certainty is an article written in 2006? Surely nothing has changed since then....

Surly you should do more research. That article was just posted to help explain lubrication and let you know what I use, but as I've mentioned other alternatives that "will work" in my op.

Diamonds are what the claim is in nano oil and diamond lube which are the same. . Which is also the same as slick50. proven snake oil by tribalists.

 

[Amoo]

please show where anything I typed either contradicts something in his article, or where I'm testing products which are proven to be "snake oil"? Didn't I say my whole point was to test a lot of the newer products from companies that have been around in other industries for a while and are moving into making gun lubricants. Not sure what point you're trying to make here other then you are 100% sure there is nothing out there better then your secret sauce which is based of of information from some guy who has an opinion and put it on the internet. Last I checked a gun expert doesn't make someone a lubrication expert.

 

[Mo2]

If you read the article it describes alot about lubrication, it doesn't matter that it's about firearms. Most of the lubes people use in knives are used in other industries like guns, fishing reels, bearings etc. It goes into interesting things like what you want to avoid in a lube and the types of it.

If you buy a bunch of lubes and try them out,
How would you carry out this testing? That would be interesting.

There are a lot of people in many industries trying to find and make the best solutions for their application. There's no perfect solution and no magical endless slick solution even today.

It's also fine to use whatever you like or have available but there will always be pros and cons. For one you wouldn't want something expensive when something cheap will do just as good or adequate. You would just be throwing away money. And you wouldnt want to use ATF because it smells and is toxic even tho it's a great lubrication.

Either way please do have a plan, test it and provide what you find to share.

I never said anything about mine being best. You assumed that. Really just use whatever you like, I just don't recommend falling for snake oil marketing and end up paying more for something. Nothing more, I think you read too much into what I may be saying incorrectly.

Anyway in order for you to start a test it would be great to understand everything about lubrication to begin with. That's the primary reason why I posted the article to help explain some of that. I guess It didn't do a good job at that, or I'm just bad at posting.

 

[Amoo]

I'll just leave it at this, between a degree in Nuclear Engineering and a BS in Electrical, I think I have a pretty good understanding of exactly how lubrication works, what you're trying to accomplish when you lubricate something, what exactly "penetrating the metal" actually means and what to look for and even how to setup an objective test. Try not to come off so condescending, like you know everything about a subject and everybody else is an idiot and doesn't know anything and your posts may be a little bit better received.

Also if you read back through the thread you will see just a few of the test I already planned.

EDIT: I also find it kind of curious you would question a search for something better, when there are other adequate options available. This is essentially a knife enthusiast forum. We could all just go out and buy ourselves some China Bucks from Wal-Mart and that would be "adequate". Obviously if we did this forum wouldn't exist. So if we all have a bunch of expensive knives when a china buck could in theory work, what's the point? You're basically asking the same question about lubrication. Just because it doesn't interest you or you think you already have all the answers, doesn't mean there isn't other interests. Who knows, give it a chance to play out and you allow yourself to be objective and even you may learn something. Also the offer still stands if you would like to send me a small sample of your preferred.

 

[JD Spydo]

As I mentioned in an earlier post I still think the best dry lube out there is Sentry Solutions product called "BP-2000". But I've heard that there are new PTFE based dry lubes on the market so I thought maybe some of you guys could tell me of any other dry lubes you like on the market?

Also I mentioned the MILITEC company has a synthetic grease that has worked well for me. I also have a grease sold by the PENN fishing reel company that seems to have superior lubricity. If any of you guys know of better synthetic grease products on the market I would like to know about them as well.

Very interesting responses so far!

 

[loonybin]

To "Loonybin" Hey I'm sort of surprised to hear that about Militec because I've been using ever since I got my first bottle of it from a Benchmade booth at one of the Gun Shows here in KC, MO USA. I've also used their synthetic grease for all kinds of applications with good results as well. I'm curious as to why you don't like it. I'm always wanting to hear the other side of the story.

Did you look at the first rust test I linked to? That shows exactly why I won't use Militec.

Diamonds are what the claim is in nano oil and diamond lube which are the same. . Which is also the same as slick50. proven snake oil by tribalists.

Please show where St. Clair ever claims to use diamonds in his Nano Oil.

 

[JD Spydo]

OK "Loonybin" did take a look at that Rust Test you spoke of. You do make a good point. However I really never used Militec for the sole purpose of corrosion resistance and/or rust prevention for that matter. Not sure if Militec's grease that I use in some applications has the same weakness or not . But I've found Militec to have very good properties of "lubricity" on every folding knife I've used it on.

For corrosion resistance I've had really good luck with "TUF-CLOTH" made by Sentry Solutions. So until I find a lube that beats out Militec to my satisfaction I'll just rub down all my blades with TUF-CLOTH and use the Militec for basic lubrication.

This is why I started this thread because I truly want to learn about the pros and cons of all these different products. A lot of the guys I talk to don't like "Ballistol" which is not only a lubricant but a cleaner and a corrosion inhibitor as well. But I've had excellent luck with it as well>> no product I've ever used works as good on G-10 handles as Ballistol does.

But in all fairness when I find products that will beat out any of these products that I currently use I'll immediately switch over to a better product.

 

[jpm2]

But in all fairness when I find products that will beat out any of these products that I currently use I'll immediately switch over to a better product.

That's what I do, and why I'm still using the old breakfree clp formula.

 

[JD Spydo]

Great feedback so far guys but I haven't heard you all say much about metal polishes. As I said earlier I'm pretty sold on FLITZ's line up of great products. I even love their polishing cloth and have yet to find one of those as good as what FLITZ makes. Every FLITZ product I've tried I've had good success with. Their metal wax is just awesome and their metal cleaning products are great too.

But again if there is something better or even comparable for that matter I want to know about it. The one Brother made mention of "rust preventative products and I've really not looked into that line of products much>> so if anyone knows of a great rust preventative and/or corrosion inhibitor I would love to know more about those products as well.

 

[kvanpacker]

Can anyone recommend something for M4

I use some flitz polish on it to clean it up but is there something I should be using to prevent corrosion or patina

 

[JD Spydo]

Can anyone recommend something for M4

I use some flitz polish on it to clean it up but is there something I should be using to prevent corrosion or patina

Again I can't speak highly enough for the Sentry Solutions product known as "TUF-CLOTH". The TUF CLOTH leaves a corrosion preventative coating that does protect the steel. Now if there is something much better than TUF-CLOTH I would like to know about it . They also have a marine grade TUF-CLOTH that is even better >> I've heard it is even resistant to salt water environments.

Personally I've always noticed that FLITZ polish leaves a nice coating. And don't forget that FLITZ has a great metal wax>> I've used it on firearms and knives and other tools and I've had great luck with it.

 

[loonybin]

OK "Loonybin" did take a look at that Rust Test you spoke of. You do make a good point. However I really never used Militec for the sole purpose of corrosion resistance and/or rust prevention for that matter. Not sure if Militec's grease that I use in some applications has the same weakness or not . But I've found Militec to have very good properties of "lubricity" on every folding knife I've used it on.

Yes, Militec is a great lubricant. It worked great in Iraq, but then, as dry as that climate is, there wasn't a rust concern.

For corrosion resistance I've had really good luck with "TUF-CLOTH" made by Sentry Solutions. So until I find a lube that beats out Militec to my satisfaction I'll just rub down all my blades with TUF-CLOTH and use the Militec for basic lubrication.

This is why I started this thread because I truly want to learn about the pros and cons of all these different products. A lot of the guys I talk to don't like "Ballistol" which is not only a lubricant but a cleaner and a corrosion inhibitor as well. But I've had excellent luck with it as well>> no product I've ever used works as good on G-10 handles as Ballistol does.

But in all fairness when I find products that will beat out any of these products that I currently use I'll immediately switch over to a better product.

Lubricant just as good as Militec: WeaponShield. Nano Oil. Nano Oil has given me better results than Militec in the lubrication department, and definitely better in the rust prevention area. WeaponShield is light years beyond Militec against rust and is just as good for lubrication. I mixed my Nano Oil into my WeaponShield and am very happy with the results.

 

[JD Spydo]

That is really strange?? Because for years the Benchmade knife company has really been high on "Militec" We also had two gun dealers here in the Kansas City, MO area that did most of the local Gun Shows and they sold it at the shows and bragged about it a lot too .

Oh I believe you because it seems like you've put a lot of this stuff through hard tests. I'm wondering if Benchmade had a financial stake in the company? Now the synthetic grease that I got from Militec I've used on a couple of my collector Spinning Reels and it's worked great on those. But maybe I'm comparing apples to onions

I've also used Tuf-Glide which is another product put out by Sentry Solutions. I've always had good luck with just about everything they've made. Their BP-2000 is the best dry lube I've used up till now.

 

[loonybin]

That is really strange?? Because for years the Benchmade knife company has really been high on "Militec" We also had two gun dealers here in the Kansas City, MO area that did most of the local Gun Shows and they sold it at the shows and bragged about it a lot too .

Oh I believe you because it seems like you've put a lot of this stuff through hard tests. I'm wondering if Benchmade had a financial stake in the company? Now the synthetic grease that I got from Militec I've used on a couple of my collector Spinning Reels and it's worked great on those. But maybe I'm comparing apples to onions

I've also used Tuf-Glide which is another product put out by Sentry Solutions. I've always had good luck with just about everything they've made. Their BP-2000 is the best dry lube I've used up till now.

When your #1 priority is lubrication, Militec made sense when it came out. I would never use Militec for something like CPM-M4, or even D2, but if your blade is s30v, M390, or the like,it may not be a huge issue. At the time I found out about Militec, I used it on my pistol that had a NP3 finish on all metal parts. Rust was a non-issue, and it was slicker than anything else. After the locking block was replaced, it got some surface rust on it.

I had a Contego and a Presidio in M4, and they were very smooth, but disassembling them showed surface patina on the bare metal areas that were smashed against the washers. I polished that off, switched to WeaponShield, and... no patina.

When I found out about WeaponShield, I realized I could get the same lubrication as Militec with none of the rusting concern. Now, instead of having one lube for carbon/tool steels and one for stainless, I only need one for any of them.