Midgards Messer Hybrid Cryo steel

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Hello, are there any reviews available about this steel (or maybe about Midgards knives with this steel)?
Reason is there will be a new Viper GMR fixed blade released very soon that I like a lot that will feature this steel.
But I have serious doubts about this "mystic steel"
 
Not giving us much.

Here we present you the Midgards knife's own high-performance steel, which was developed with the Austrian manufacturer Böhler.

The steel impresses with its high toughness Tool steel properties)
Very good for resharpening
Perfect hardness (58 to 62 hrc) can be perfectly adjusted by Cryo, so you can set the perfect hardness of the steel for each knife.
Very good corrosion resistance (similar to powder metallurgical steel)
Very good price-performance ratio
Very easy to process (little tool wear during processing)
Water jet cutting and laser cutting possible without any problems.
 
Mk-211 said:
Not giving us much.

Here we present you the Midgards knife's own high-performance steel, which was developed with the Austrian manufacturer Böhler.

The steel impresses with its high toughness Tool steel properties)
Very good for resharpening
Perfect hardness (58 to 62 hrc) can be perfectly adjusted by Cryo, so you can set the perfect hardness of the steel for each knife.
Very good corrosion resistance (similar to powder metallurgical steel)
Very good price-performance ratio
Very easy to process (little tool wear during processing)
Water jet cutting and laser cutting possible without any problems.
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Based on this we can determine that it is not a PM steel. I suspect it is in the AEB-L family of steels.
 
Very easy to process (little tool wear during processing)
Water jet cutting and laser cutting possible without any problems.
Very good for resharpening

These three points suggest this steel isn't very wear resistand

Very good corrosion resistance (similar to powder metallurgical steel)

Being a pm steel has no effect on the corrosion resistance. ;)
As Sharp Bits pointed out we can already determine it's not a pm steel
I only saw one review of a knife with hybrid cryo steel and the reviewer rated the corrosion resistance as mediocre.

AEB-L could be a good suspect
But I'm affraid the mystery steel as a lower corrosion resistance (based on only one revieuw)
There is a video with the owners of Midgards messers with folks from Böhler.
They seem to suggest 61hrc for a folder and only 58, 59 for a fixed blade. AEB-L can have a higher hrc for a fixed blade.

I'm now thinking the full name of the steel is: Viking hybrid cryo.
Böhler has a chipper steel called Viking Viking (A8mod, K329), maybe it's based on this steel?

 
The viking model from Midgards Messer is manufactured by Fox knives.
Fox is also going to use the steel in a Chnops and a PREDATOR II automatic folder. Also for a Gitano folder (like the one from Lionsteel) fot Gudy van Poppel
Viper knives also belongs to the Fox group and wil be using it in the knife I'm interested in "the GMR"

viper-gmr-hybrid-cryo-cf-02vp207.jpg
 
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If the past is any indication it is a 99% probability of being a steel that already existed and not a new steel they “developed” with Bohler. Apart from the options mentioned so far would be other 8% Cr die steels like Bohler K340, K360, or Uddeholm Sleipner.
 
I am not sure I trust much of what Midgards says about their knives anymore. Prime example - the Ronin Double Tantos... These were made by Genex Blade, a Chinese OEM branch of Reate, and suddenly Midgards came out with the same exact design and has maintained that they are German produced (lies)... They have avoided questions about country of origin on social media several times. If you go to their table at Bladeshow they will tell you they are 100% German made, although the prices don't reflect that and a lot of their models are in double production with Fox knives (Italy).
 
They have released the composition, please comment

C:0,99
Cr:15,88
Si: 0,41
Mn: 0,37
P: 0,020
S: 0,0040
Mo: 1,51
Ni: 0,43
V: 0,26
Cu: 0,12
Co: 1,47
N: 0,079
 
ChatGPT thinks it is AISI/UNS 431 or perhaps a modified 440c. Accept that with a hugh grain of salt until we get a qualified answer from our steel experts.
 
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