Military For Self Defense?

I had a guy on top of me once and I did not have my gun on. He was young and a lot stronger than me. He was choking me. I had a knife clip to my pocket. I am glad he quit choking me. I did not pull the knife. I wasn't going to be choked to dead if I could help it, would you?
 
OP...yes in an emergency situation, a blade like the millie could be used for that purpose...not ideal but possible.
 
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If I had to play this scenario, and I was being overpowered where I could'nt.really do a swinging stab or a pushing or pulling thrash, I would want.something like a push dagger. Easy accessofxourse, mayne carry several if youre routinely gettin choked
Razor said:
I had a guy on top of me once and I did not have my gun on. He was young and a lot stronger than me. He was choking me. I had a knife clip to my pocket. I am glad he quit choking me. I did not pull the knife. I wasn't going to be choked to dead if I could help it, would you?
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ETA: millie not ideal for this scenario
 
The Military would serve you just fine in SD. Most bladed objects would suffice I'd say if you were skilled in that department. But training and common sense would be the best self defense imo.

But if 8 bullets and pepper spray aren't getting the job done then I'm not sure a knife would.
 
Wolverine666 said:
The Military would serve you just fine in SD. Most bladed objects would suffice I'd say if you were skilled in that department. But training and common sense would be the best self defense imo.

But if 8 bullets and pepper spray aren't getting the job done then I'm not sure a knife would.
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Many years ago two guys in my dads linemen.crew were bout 30 ft up in the bucket connecting a service. They didnt like eachother lol. The one fuy said to the other what you do all that stupid.karate for whats that crap matter if I pull a gun on you? I dont remember rhe guys.name, but like lightning he grabbed him by the throat,.picked himmup one handed, and held him.outside the bucket with his legs dangling n shakin.

"Where's your gun now?" he asked his coworker, presumably on the verge of soakin his jeans. Fortuantely everyone there calmed him down.and let the other. Guy back.in the basket lol.

I realize this is dif from gettin 8 shpts off and pepper spray, but again it comes.down tp the user/practitioner
 
I know story about man who killed big dog with Military. That dog attacked his smaller dog.
 
Phixt said:
Many years ago two guys in my dads linemen.crew were bout 30 ft up in the bucket connecting a service. They didnt like eachother lol. The one fuy said to the other what you do all that stupid.karate for whats that crap matter if I pull a gun on you? I dont remember rhe guys.name, but like lightning he grabbed him by the throat,.picked himmup one handed, and held him.outside the bucket with his legs dangling n shakin.

"Where's your gun now?" he asked his coworker, presumably on the verge of soakin his jeans. Fortuantely everyone there calmed him down.and let the other. Guy back.in the basket lol.

I realize this is dif from gettin 8 shpts off and pepper spray, but again it comes.down tp the user/practitioner
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That's why I said training and common sense would be the best self defense. Your story is a perfect example. The karate guy there obviously had training and enough common sense not to drop the other guy to his doom.
 
Wolverine666 said:
That's why I said training and common sense would be the best self defense. Your story is a perfect example. The karate guy there obviously had training and enough common sense not to drop the other guy to his doom.
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Yeah man we same page :)
 
anything would "work" in a vacuum. but really....... Training, training, training, ideally with a easily deployed fixed blade. In lieu of that, cardio.

i work on rapid and sustained emergency egress more then anything as per my own skillset
 
When out and about on the trails with my GSD, I prefer to carry my Ti/CF Millie. Packing heat is not an option for me here in urban CA (no politics please!). While I can still legally carry a larger fixed blade if I open carry, I still prefer a stout option for a larger folder even though no where as reelable as a 4"-5" fixed blade. Why do I carry a folder is because we do have brazen coyotes in my area and larger dogs off their leash where they're supposed to be leased. In my almost 10 years in this area, I have never had to deploy my folders for self-defense and I know that it would be a pretty dumb idea to do so when faced with a human assailant, unless all else fails and drawing a knife is the absolute LAST option!

To answer your question and for my own purpose only: I believe that if my dog and I get attacked by another large / charging canine or canine cognate, a 4"ish sharp as heck Military plunge in a critical area can cause some very serious damage, but I have not put it to any sort of real world test. The belief that I have is a good confidence builder and I rather not be without it when off the beaten paths.

P.S. I also carry a PM2 from time to time but TBT, more as a fidget item as it seems a bit dainty for the description given above, if & when!
 
Razor said:
I had a guy on top of me once and I did not have my gun on. He was young and a lot stronger than me. He was choking me. I had a knife clip to my pocket. I am glad he quit choking me. I did not pull the knife. I wasn't going to be choked to dead if I could help it, would you?
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Some background would be good, when and where were you, what went on before the incident to cause such an altercation? Did you have reasonble time and chance to get away, did you cause the altercation?

Zimmerman also had a young kid on top of him and he did have a gun. Sure he had a right to defend himself but I think he provoked the whole incident because he was a girly fat boy growing up getting punked, became old enough to buy a gun and all of a sudden found his manhood and wanted to boost his ego cause now size and fitness doesn't matter since he has a gun - the great equalizer

It bothers me to see people on gun and knife boards routinely talk and fantasize using such weapons on another human being
 
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While I find that person whom you named an utterly reprehensible SoS, I also find it very pernicious that you had to use that person and that whole saga to demonstrate your point.
 
The military is probably the finest Golden made knife that could fill a secondary role as a self defense weapon. Even without skill, waving it blindly it can and will slice through several vital “blood tunnels” which can end a fight quickly against a numerically superior unarmed opponent. I don’t carry mine for this reason, but it has “done the job” on several occasions I read about.
 
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Endura, get one. It has a great back lock, easy on the pocket book, low profile and easy carry, it even is somewhat customizable
 
The guy on top up me was my fault. He said he want to wrestle. I finally said okay. He was young and strong and I was old and dumb. I thought it was just going to be a friendly fun wrestling. I guess he thought not. He was my sons friend. I NEVER want to hurt anyone.
 
OP, why don't you ask John Shirley this question over on the Spyderco Forum? He is an expert in knife martial arts and defensive use.
 
If this all started from a dumb wrestling match, I doubt a gun or knife was ever needed. Were the two of you alone? Probably not, I imagine it was some young hothead trying to show off in front of friends. Even if you had one, if he'd managed to pin you how would a gun or knife have helped? You'd have had to know ahead of time that he would be too serious. And even if you drew a knife or gun, having seen how badly this kid handled a friendly match, who's to say he wouldn't handle a weapon being drawn on him even worse.

Still, if you just absolutely wanted a knife in this situation I'd say a fixed blade is the only way to go. If this kid was truly set on choking you out, and already had you pinned, you wouldn't want to fumble with a folder.
 
lieferung said:
If this all started from a dumb wrestling match, I doubt a gun or knife was ever needed. Were the two of you alone? Probably not, I imagine it was some young hothead trying to show off in front of friends. Even if you had one, if he'd managed to pin you how would a gun or knife have helped? You'd have had to know ahead of time that he would be too serious. And even if you drew a knife or gun, having seen how badly this kid handled a friendly match, who's to say he wouldn't handle a weapon being drawn on him even worse.

Still, if you just absolutely wanted a knife in this situation I'd say a fixed blade is the only way to go. If this kid was truly set on choking you out, and already had you pinned, you wouldn't want to fumble with a folder.
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TBH, in a high percentage of instances, the other guy never even sees the knife. Several years ago, a local guy known to train in MMA got into a fight in a parking lot outside of a bar, took the other guy down, and while on top of the guy doing whatever, the other guy on the bottom was able to get out his 'pocket knife' and stabbed him over a dozen times from the bottom. The MMA guy probably thought the other guy was trying to punch him, never saw the knife, and ended up dying. In another local incident that was featured on Forensic Files, a champion amateur wrestler also took a guy down in the street, and the other guy also managed to pull out a folder and stabbed him once, killing him. Both of these guys who died were young, strong, athletic and aggressive. And neither knifer was trained in knife combatives.

The reason I mention these is that this is not a subject to be taken lightly. And it's extremely difficult to disarm someone of something you don't even know is there, no matter how tough you might be. The person who isn't bluffing and would use a knife in those situations most likely won't be displaying his/her knife for you to see.

This thread really belongs in PracTac.

Jim
 
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If I had to defend myself with a folding knife, my first choice would be a Manix 2 XL. I abused the hell out of a couple on my last deployment (gave 1 away). It opens smoothly, and locks solidly. I obviously have a lot of faith in Spyderco, but liner locks are my least favorite modern locking mechanism.

John Shirley
 
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