Military Lock vs. Axis Lock

It's pretty sad that someone gave me a negivite rep point over my post. It was my opinon and that's it. You all voice your opions all the time. I voice it hear and I get dinged.

I like AXIS - I have a 520 and love it. However, I also really really love my EKIs and my Strider.

I was just telling my opinon, in a calm and nice manner. And someone has to ding me like that. There was no reason... I didn't say I hated AXIS or BM etc etc... Just giving my opinion.
 
ajnova


You just stated your opinion - that other people were being "stupid" (your word not mine). It doesn't surprize me that people dinged your rep points.

Stating your own opinion about locks should not get this result, but I can see how calling the opinions or actions of others "stupid" can a generate a negative response.

David
 
I would say the linerlock on my Military (440V version) is one of, if not the most perfectly seated linerlock(s) I own. To be honest, I really don't use it or carry it much, though, as I carry other knives more for whatever reasons.

That said, IMO the type of lock that seems most susceptible to premature (or faster) wear is the linerlock. Some linerlocks find a set point and seem to remain at that point seemingly forever; but most I've had tend to start moving farther and farther over towards the opposite scale fairly quickly. Or some will move to the right when applying heavy cutting pressure against the cutting edge (not against the lock). I've also seen some slip right off the blade tang with moderate pressure against the back of the blade, which does not lend itself to a feeling of confidence in the user.

Of course, technically the Axis could fail if the buttons are inadvertently pressed backwards, or if perhaps the Axis bar didn't push forward far enough in lockup, but I've not had it happen. There is far less if any friction in the Axis design, which equals slower wear. The biggest concern with the Axis lock would be a spring breaking from metal fatigue after extended use or from repeated openings/closings. Or gunk getting into the mech. Otherwise, the Axis is very reliable, and that is more important than the actual brute strength of a locking mech, IMO.
Jim
 
ajnova said:
It's just like cars.... A Chevy Cavalier has four wheels and four doors. Would I trust that car with my safety everyday? No.
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For months now I have worked alongside a woman who was in a collision in her Cavalier. An 18 wheeler hit her head on, and then another 18 hit the car from the side.

She wasn't so much as bruised. The car did what it was designed to do.

But as great as the Cavalier is, I'd much rather have an Impala.

Similary, I have used liner locks to good effect for many years. Those knives did what they were designed to do.

But as great as the liner lock is, I'd much rather have a lockback.

Does that make any sense?
 
ajnova said:
It's pretty sad that someone gave me a negivite rep point over my post. It was my opinon and that's it. You all voice your opions all the time. I voice it hear and I get dinged.
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Yuck! Welcome to the club... It's the worst when no reason is given. Or when it's from a post from 5 months back and you just suddenly get dinged.
 
Linerlocks are very difficult to make reliable and long lasting. Spyderco has had the advantage of having a number of bright people (Michael Walker, Bob Terzuola, Vince Ford & Spyderco R&D) help to refine our linerlocks over a 15 year period. We also test each one more than once in the mfg & QC process.

The advantages of a linerlock are convenient unlocking and that it will fit into almost any pattern. As a Chris Reeve style Integral Linerlock, it also permits a very thin knife with very few parts.

The disadvantages are; they are very difficult to make consistently reliable, they have limited lock strength, material selection for blade and lock interface as well as interface angles are all critical to function and wear.

The Axis lock is reliable and strong. It's been around for 15 years so it has time to be refined. Like just about all locks, they are subject to debris obstruction and spring failure. It requires dual liners which is not always desirable. It has quite a few parts.

There are many flavors of locks. Spyderco is fortunate in that we are able to successfully provide to our ELUs a variety of very reliable and efficient locking mechanisms. (Lockback, Walker Linerlock, Chris Reeve style Integral Linerlock, and more recently, Compression lock (patented), Ball Bearing Lock (patented), Stop Pin lock (patented, but not out yet) and Plate lock (Patent pending, not out yet).

The many different locking methods is part of what makes folding knives interesting.

sal
 
4 s ter said:
ajnova

You just stated your opinion - that other people were being "stupid" (your word not mine). It doesn't surprize me that people dinged your rep points.

Stating your own opinion about locks should not get this result, but I can see how calling the opinions or actions of others "stupid" can a generate a negative response.

David
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Maybe it was the wrong choice of word. I was trying to state, that it seems a lot of the members here, are quick to forget and not bother looking at some pretty cool knives.

Also when I was new to these higher end knives and joined here. I read ALL these posts about liner locks are not a good thing, etc etc etc. I got brainwashed to thinking every liner lock is a horrible bad knife.
 
I'm so loyal to my Military that whenever I read someone universally criticising liner locks I feel a mild outrage and desire to defend the honour of my favourite knife.

Thinking rationally however, I realise that these people are talking about twisting tourquing SD applications. I long way from the type of use I have for my Military, which is just straight, heavy cutting. Trusting the lock on the military is not an issue for me - but can appreciate it might be for some.
 
The many different locking methods is part of what makes folding knives interesting.

sal
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My son wants to collect one example of every lock made. A very tall order. ;)
 
Keith wrote:

"My son wants to collect one example of every lock made."

What a great idea.

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Sal catalogued several types of locks, some of them not known to me:

"Compression lock (patented), Ball Bearing Lock (patented), Stop Pin lock (patented, but not out yet) and Plate lock (Patent pending, not out yet)"

Does anyone have a link to some pictoral examples of these locks?
 
What was the technical name of the lock on the merkat? I know it's refered to as the phantom lock but it's one of my favorites just because of how cool it is.


N2
 
Hi Neko, As Thom mentioned, it is a scale released lockback. The concept has been around for a number of years. AG Russell made one and Puma made one that I know of. We made it a little more user friendly with the finger notches.

Hi Ken, Though fairly new (as far as new locks go) The Compression lock is already in a number of our folders; Gunting, Lil Temperance, Salsa, ParaMilitary and it's integral on the ATR and one Salsa model.

The Ball Bearing lock is on the WTC project, the D'Allara and the Dodo.

The Stop Pin lock and plate (Delta) lock are new improvements on an existing locks. I don't want to say too much about them yet as they are not in knives yet. The "Stop-pin" lock was just awarded a US patent. We'll probably come up with a different name for commercial use. The Delta lock (plate is a patent ap name) is still in patent process. I should have a sample of each at the Blade Show.

All 4 locks put the tang into compression with a part of the handle.

sal
 
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