Military love

I assume the Police would be a better light slicer than the Military, and the Military might be a better hard use folder? I am looking into a real Military for use after this thread, as I only have one, the first Military run ever in a powdered steel, the original two-screw CPM-440V Millie, serrated. I might use it some, but I really admire it for what it is historically. The first production powder metallurgy knife? Yeah, may wanna preserve this and use my serrated AUS-8 Endura, huh?

I digress, though. So, if my above assumption is right, then I would want a Military in a tough steel. What do you users like? 52100 or Cruwear, something like that maybe? I was looking at the 52100, but there were two things keeping me from it, that being the edge retention and the price, really really tough BBS prices, but I understand and will deal with it if it is what I need. How about the Cruwear, anyone put that to some harder or extended use? What steels are your favorite in the Military?

I wonder what'll be the base steel on the Military 2.
 
Hashishiin said:
I assume the Police would be a better light slicer than the Military, and the Military might be a better hard use folder? I am looking into a real Military for use after this thread, as I only have one, the first Military run ever in a powdered steel, the original two-screw CPM-440V Millie, serrated. I might use it some, but I really admire it for what it is historically. The first production powder metallurgy knife? Yeah, may wanna preserve this and use my serrated AUS-8 Endura, huh?

I digress, though. So, if my above assumption is right, then I would want a Military in a tough steel. What do you users like? 52100 or Cruwear, something like that maybe? I was looking at the 52100, but there were two things keeping me from it, that being the edge retention and the price, really really tough BBS prices, but I understand and will deal with it if it is what I need. How about the Cruwear, anyone put that to some harder or extended use? What steels are your favorite in the Military?

I wonder what'll be the base steel on the Military 2.
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I would also like a tough steel Millie (AEB-L, 3V, 14C28N), but stopped holding my breath. I use the regular production S110V for all kinds of tasks and never had a broken tip or chipping. FWIW, I put a microconvex on it once the factory edge was dull.
 
kobold said:
I would also like a tough steel Millie (AEB-L, 3V, 14C28N), but stopped holding my breath. I use the regular production S110V for all kinds of tasks and never had a broken tip or chipping. FWIW, I put a microconvex on it once the factory edge was dull.
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Well, there is always that sweet sweet 52100 but, that is not as sweet as 3V and such, ha. I think next year will genuinely be a bigger year for the Millie. I think the Millie 2 is coming soon, next year, can feel it in my bones. Hoping for some sprints at least.

Crazy that is in regular production, I never see it.
 
Hashishiin Hashishiin

Respectfully asking, what is hard use to you?

I wouldnt chop, or pry with a millie. Too light, too thin.

It is a knife designed to do knife things.

If you arent aware, the millie came about when Sal was asked what knife he would design for his son if his son joined the military.

Designed for use with gloves, and primarily as a cutting tool, not a weapon. I think his words were it was designed to be an “aggressive cutter”
 
Riz! said:
Hashishiin Hashishiin

Respectfully asking, what is hard use to you?

I wouldnt chop, or pry with a millie. Too light, too thin.

It is a knife designed to do knife things.

If you arent aware, the millie came about when Sal was asked what knife he would design for his son if his son joined the military.

Designed for use with gloves, and primarily as a cutting tool, not a weapon. I think his words were it was designed to be an “aggressive cutter”
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I don't know where in my post you extrapolated that I wanted to pry and chop, nor fight with it.
Respectfully, I know all that. Is not my first week at Spyderco. 😁

I'm saying, like, Maxamet vs 52100, those are about opposite of the spectrum, right? One you wouldn't want to torque on, you would just want to do nice clean cutting. Whereas you can bang 52100 around a bit. Military was quite a strong knife, Randall had some great results published before the RAT series came out.
 
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You asked a question and the guy answered with some examples of hard use. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe you can tell us what you mean by hard use. Bang around a bit?

In my book, cutting very tough stuff like hard PVC pipes and prying open paint cans are examples of hard use, for which I do not view Military as a hard use folder nor will I use it. The delicate tip is more of a concern than anything else including the liner lock and the blade steel.
 
You referred to the military as being a better “hard use” folder as compared to a police. I didnt extrapolate anything, which is why I asked how you define “hard use”.

In my mind “hard use” would be doing non-knife stuff with a knife, which is why I believe chopping or prying is beyond the intended use of a millie.

Forgive me if there was any tone in my question, as I didn't intend there to be.

I was hoping that if you defined what “hard use” meant to you, we could help you answer your questions comparing the police and the millie.

I do agree that a tougher steel would allow the distally tapered blade to be pressed into uses that are rougher on blades (ones that cause micro chippjng). Ive loved 3V in my fixed blades and always wanted to try it on a folder so a 3V millie would be sweet. Ive also been thinking of getting an S110V version after reading a review where something like 6000 of cardboard and 1800ish cuts on rope (if I recall correctly) were made without significant loss of the edge. Like the darn thing could still cut receipt paper and roughly shave arm hair. I just dont know if I like that blurple g10
 
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sharp_edge said:
You asked a question and the guy answered with some examples of hard use. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe you can tell us what you mean by hard use. Bang around a bit?

In my book, cutting very tough stuff like hard PVC pipes and prying open paint cans are examples of hard use, for which I do not view Military as a hard use folder nor will I use it. The delicate tip is more of a concern than anything else including the liner lock and the blade steel.
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He answered with some stuff you shouldn't do with a folder. And yeah, nothing wrong with it at all.

What I want to do is to torque, basically, not just cut. I don't intend to abuse the knife, but I would use it for harder plastics. Think zip-tie like materials. Would like to fearlessly use it to whittle wood the way I'd use Mora's carbon steel. Just dig in with it. Like I would with Cruwear. Stuff I would not want to put Maxamet or something more brittle up to. This is the main appeal of 52100 to me, that and the ability to bring back sharpness easily. Yeah, tip had me worried.
 
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Riz! said:
You referred to the military as being a better “hard use” folder as compared to a police. I didnt extrapolate anything, which is why I asked how you define “hard use”.

In my mind “hard use” would be doing non-knife stuff with a knife, which is why I believe chopping or prying is beyond the intended use of a millie.

Forgive me if there was any tone in my question, as I didn't intend there to be.

I was hoping that if you defined what “hard use” meant to you, we could help you answer your questions comparing the police and the millie.

I do agree that a tougher steel would allow the distally tapered blade to be pressed into uses that are rougher on blades (ones that cause micro chippjng). Ive loved 3V in my fixed blades and always wanted to try it on a folder so a 3V millie would be sweet. Ive also been thinking of getting an S110V version after reading a review where something like 6000 of cardboard and 1800ish cuts on rope (if I recall correctly) were made without significant loss of the edge. Like the darn thing could still cut receipt paper and roughly shave arm hair. I just dont know if I like that blurple g10
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No worries here my friend, I was mainly like "What, does he think I want a Military as a fighting knife?" lol, I think that was the main thing bugging me. I have Spyderco's defensive knives, I actually collect the reverse-S shape, all of them, so, there's a million things I'd grab for that before a Millie 😁

I should have been more specific too, but like I said, after the fighting comment, I didn't know what was what, thank you for explaining. My specific uses, my hardest use, would be wood. I want to fearlessly carve wood with it if needed. Not chop wood, carve it. I would be too scared to bite into some wood with a Maxamet blade, I would just use a Mora or a Cruwear PM2, or something. But, also would be doing things like cutting harder plastics with it, zipties, and torquing it against anything that might need it.

I can tell you know a bit more about blade grinds than me. "Distally tapered", trying to put together what that means in my head. I'd buy a 3V Military, if that is coming, one is already sold to me. S110V is interesting. From what I hear, not good at keeping a fine edge, but will keep working for you forever, as long as you do not need super precise exact cuts. But, some of these guys can evidently get it really, really sharp, it seems.

Worried about the tip though, maybe I would need something stouter. Thing is, I'd imagine in the Military, tough cutting would be going down regularly, jamming it into MREs, etc.
 
Hashishiin said:
I wonder what'll be the base steel on the Military 2.
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I am afraid the Military 2 will hog the obviously scarce production capacity in Golden, while at the same time the standard Millie is already OOS for prolonged periods (or at least that's what I keep hearing).
 
kobold said:
I am afraid the Military 2 will hog the obviously scarce production capacity in Golden, while at the same time the standard Millie is already OOS for prolonged periods (or at least that's what I keep hearing).
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It was out of stock for a long time. In December when I was looking for my first Spydie, I was after a Millie but they were sold out on BHQ on and off for months. Now, some are starting to come back, some S30V models. And, with the one I have now being basically something to treasure, a piece of history, I am wanting a user Military. Perhaps the S30V is good enough and I should just buy one of those.

Hmm... I think if they took like, five runs for the PM2 and replaced them with Millies, all would be right with the world. I think there could be a little more balance in production, personally, it could be "evened out" some perhaps. But, at least it isn't getting discontinued! Happy about that. Once I used the liner lock on this knife, and again, a very old model, it was drop-shut smooth, such smooth action, it makes me want to see what a modern one is like.
 
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