Military photo op

[LittlePrick]

There have been alot of claims on this site (from customers mostly) of Busse knives being produced mainly for the military, and for the general public as a secondary concern. I am somewhat skeptical of this only due to the cost associated with these beautiful knives, and military budget concerns. It does however sound like clever marketing; and works well in concert with Busse's economic principle of controlled supply/increased demand.

Does anyone have any pictures of Busse knives in use/posession of military men or women? I'm calling b.s. - somebody prove this LittlePrick wrong with a photo.

No disrespect meant by this, I am only trying to find out if what I've heard is heresay. I personally love Busse knives -more than any other knife I own- and I don't really care either way. I enjoy this forum as well.

 

[Jaxx]

There have been alot of claims on this site (from customers mostly) of Busse knives being produced mainly for the military, and for the general public as a secondary concern. I am somewhat skeptical of this only due to the cost associated with these beautiful knives, and military budget concerns. It does however sound like clever marketing; and works well in concert with Busse's economic principle of controlled supply/increased demand.

Does anyone have any pictures of Busse knives in use/posession of military men or women? I'm calling b.s. - somebody prove this LittlePrick wrong with a photo.

No disrespect meant by this, I am only trying to find out if what I've heard is heresay. I personally love Busse knives -more than any other knife I own- and I don't really care either way. I enjoy this forum as well.

Search the user name, 'EverTheCynic' He started a few threads with pix from his post in Afghanistan, late last winder, including pix of a 'rushed' customized Busse (Nice job, too!) by the Shop, so that he could take it with him.

 

[Progunner]

There have been alot of claims on this site (from customers mostly) of Busse knives being produced mainly for the military, and for the general public as a secondary concern. I am somewhat skeptical of this only due to the cost associated with these beautiful knives, and military budget concerns. It does however sound like clever marketing; and works well in concert with Busse's economic principle of controlled supply/increased demand.

Does anyone have any pictures of Busse knives in use/posession of military men or women? I'm calling b.s. - somebody prove this LittlePrick wrong with a photo.

No disrespect meant by this, I am only trying to find out if what I've heard is heresay. I personally love Busse knives -more than any other knife I own- and I don't really care either way. I enjoy this forum as well.

As I understand it, many of the military orders are placed by smaller specialized units who have some discretionary spending money at their disposal (or their own for all I know). There have been some of the over runs offered publicly and there have been a lucky few of us to have snagged the non public offerings Jerry has sent out to some of the INFI black holes. You can see the Public offerings on BF by searching for them, the non public ones you probably will never see if those who purchased them keep their word (some have not in the past which is disheartening). I personally owned a model done for a Marine, true it wasn't a unit purchase, but it was special. It has since returned to it's rightful home. I know you said you mean no disrespect, but you probably should choose your words a little more carefully. As I understand it, Jerry has many testimonials from service personnel who have used his products to deliver them from evil and certain harm. If Jerry really wanted to whore it up and use the military angle as has been suggested, he has plenty of material to do so. The fact that he does not do such things is more than sufficient proof to me that the military orders are not a marketing scheme.

 

[Cobalt]

There have been alot of claims on this site (from customers mostly) of Busse knives being produced mainly for the military, and for the general public as a secondary concern. I am somewhat skeptical of this only due to the cost associated with these beautiful knives, and military budget concerns. It does however sound like clever marketing; and works well in concert with Busse's economic principle of controlled supply/increased demand..

Busse has never advertised military sales like most other company's do. However, it is common knowledge that there are and have been sales to special units for a long time. Such sales or group buys are sometmes funded by the individuals and not DOD. Quite normal.

The only equipment purchased for units is usually the basic kabar or maybe sog seal 2000 etc. You can also get sog and kabar knives at the PX. Oh, and as for specific knives made for units, you are not likely to see that as anonymity is usually the case.

Busse is not the only company doing this. Strider, Mission and many more do this as well. Not at all uncommon.

 

[Z51]

Jerry states that he is supplying the military with knives.

He is a man of his word.

What more proof do you need?

 

[1whobuys]

I'm calling b.s.-
No disrespect meant by this

Your whole tone seams disrespectful to me and some what toll like.
But, I'm not trying to be disrespectful toward you.

 

[nick681]

Does anyone have any pictures of Busse knives in use/possession of military men or women? I'm calling b.s. - somebody prove this LittlePrick wrong with a photo.

Well here ya go Little Prick

This here photo proves that I am a professional BIG PRICK, since that is my hat in the picture and my knife beside it

Here is a military personnel ME using two different Busse knives on the most important day of my life. In case you might be of the impression I don't have any knowledge of the use of tactical knives that Blue cord on my shoulder denotes the fact that I am an Infantryman. I have carried Jerry's knives for quite sometime now and use them all the time.

In fact here is a pic of me in the sandbox in 2001 with one of my Busses.

You may be thinking "Yeah but I don't see any pictures of you using your Busse knives". That's true that's because when I am training my soldiers or on deployment I generally don't have a camera handy or the time to use one, nor do any of the other people in the military I know who use Jerry's knives.

But now that I think of it I will take some pics for you.

Does the Military issue Jerry's knives? No, not as you would think of it. Do some units spend some funds on Jerry's knives and have knives made to their specs? Yes some do, but you will rarely see example of those knives unless you are in one of those units or there is a public offering of those knives allowed by the purchasing unit. What units have purchased and for what purpose is none of your business . Are Busse knives common in the military? No, because the average service member is not a knife nut and will generally buy what is affordable and readily available. However there are some of us who are knife nuts and buy nice knives whether they be Busses or another
brand.

Does that satisfy you?


Nick

a.k.a.
SSG Garner

 

[LittlePrick]

I undestand the loyalty you guys have here on the forum, and I can respect that, sort of. Sometimes you guys almost seem a little too loyal. Please don't feel like this is an attack on you or on the quality and beauty of Busse's knives. I can already feel a defensive tone in some (2) of the responses; none of which contained a picture. Had I been trying to get this kind of response I would've gone straight for it; I don't beat around the bush.

I guess when I referred to "marketing" I was thinking about the "military overruns". The word "overrun" leads a person to believe that the percentage of EH3, muddy and sage AD's, and MS's sold to the public was much less than the number sold to the military.

If this is accurate, then there should be hundreds of EH3 Swamp Rats and AD's and MS's in military hands (literally on active duty). And not 1 picture posted on this board? [EDIT - Picture was posted above, thank you. - EDIT] No 'thank you' photos from the boots on the ground?

Cobalt mentioned anonymity and brought up a great point- Why would a soldier not be able to take a picture of their knife? I can find pictures all over the net of Marines holding all of the guns I own - Remington 870's, Remington 700's, and AR-15's, and on top of that, other companies knives.

 

[Progunner]

We are fiercely loyal and with no apologies given.

As for the military over runs, I would say it is tough to guage how many were made for the ordering unit. I know in the past, some of the over run models offered to the public numbered in the single digits and many didn't even break 20. So if you have a unit or two (someone can help me with numbers here since I never served our country) ordering, it is conceivable that there are less than a couple hundred made in any one configuration.

 

[LittlePrick]

In fact here is a pic of me in the sandbox in 2001 with one of my Busses.

So that's where the S.O.W. came from... X-mas camo.

 

[Jaxx]

I undestand the loyalty you guys have here on the forum, and I can respect that, sort of. Sometimes you guys almost seem a little too loyal. Please don't feel like this is an attack on you or on the quality and beauty of Busse's knives. I can already feel a defensive tone in some (2) of the responses; none of which contained a picture. Had I been trying to get this kind of response I would've gone straight for it; I don't beat around the bush.

I guess when I referred to "marketing" I was thinking about the "military overruns". The word "overrun" leads a person to believe that the percentage of EH3, muddy and sage AD's, and MS's sold to the public was much less than the number sold to the military.

If this is accurate, then there should be hundreds of EH3 Swamp Rats and AD's and MS's in military hands (literally on active duty). And not 1 picture posted on this board? [EDIT - Picture was posted above, thank you. - EDIT] No 'thank you' photos from the boots on the ground?

Cobalt mentioned anonymity and brought up a great point- Why would a soldier not be able to take a picture of their knife? I can find pictures all over the net of Marines holding all of the guns I own - Remington 870's, Remington 700's, and AR-15's, and on top of that, other companies knives.

LP, 'defensive' could one of the tones... I, personally, am wondering where at least one of our forum members is, and who seems to be 'in the wind' for now... so add 'concerned' too , as he's been on my mind for a while & all day today, the 4th. and I know that I'm not the only who misses him checking in. I do hope he's ok, wherever he is now... I know of others who've served honorably and know what they like to use.


Here's one of his threads with some pix...

"Leaving on a jet plane"

Try searching other old threads to see more pix, I've seen a few... Perhaps most of these 'small units' are not allowed to post pix of themselves on a public access forum, for obvious & not so obvious reasons?

 

[Hog Feet]

LP,

I have never seen your picture and I believe that you do exist.

I have also known soldiers who bought and use Busse knives (when they are not getting shot at or bombed I will see if they can get a pic or two to keep you from coming here and calling someone a liar).

If people seem defensive to you it is because they do not like people they respect being called liars.

 

[Kraz]

I don't understand the motivation behind your question. If you believe that what Jerry stated is a sham, then don't buy the knives. As others have stated, Jerry does not trade on his military business.

Getting back to the motivation behind your question, why should anyone have to prove anything to you? It's your money: buy or don't buy. No matter what is said in this forum it might never be enough proof for whatever arbitrary standard you have chosen to decide what is true. Does it take a photocopy of the a Busse military contract? 100 photos of soldiers using the knives? Sworn testimonials? Really, what's the point?

Finally, it's poor form to call people defensive when they question your motivation and intention. Openess is required on both sides of the discussion.

 

[tsiloics]

I don't know anything about the mechanics of the military orders, but it seems to me that the term "overrun" can be taken at face value. If the military demand for Knife X is 10 units and Jerry produces 5,000, I don't see how that's any less an overrun than if he produces 12 units.Seems to me the term is simply identifying the initial intent of the production run.

There might even be a case where Knife X was originally produced as a non-military model with numerous units sold, then re-issued in a military application for a small order, and subsequently 'overrun' to fill additional civilian demand.

 

[thatmguy]

Yes, I have to agree, that your approach to an inquiry smells very troll-like.

To come in, and call BS on something and someone you know little if anything about is a good way to get an earfull, as well as potentially banned.

If you would take the time to research things, you might find moe than enough information to overcome your "somewhat skeptical" views of Jerry's statements.

Do your own homework, then let us know...

 

[MORIMOTOM]

i think i agree with everyone here, lp.

you cant, on the one hand, use terms like, "calling bs" and "clever marketing", then in the next statement claim you mean no disrespect. there is inherent disprespect as a result of the implication in your post.


you disrespect everyone here by implying either we are complicit in jerry busse's scheme to defraud the consumer by marketing products as military overuns even though they are not, or by saying we are all too stupid and blind to recognize the truth, that it is simply a marketing strategy.

too loyal? i take offense to this label as well. busse combat and its employees have earned the loyalty we all share by offering a product we all love and enjoy, making it fun to buy and own them, and by offering a warranty that is second to none.

finally, why should busse combat, jerry busse, or anyone here have to prove anything to you?

there was a string of threads earlier this year with a similar tone, asking for proof that busse knives were the best, name calling, complaining, and trolling in general.

please tell me this is not the start of that crap again.

 

[LittlePrick]

Yes, I have to agree, that your approach to an inquiry smells very troll-like.

To come in, and call BS on something and someone you know little if anything about is a good way to get an earfull, as well as potentially banned.

If you would take the time to research things, you might find moe than enough information to overcome your "somewhat skeptical" views of Jerry's statements.

Do your own homework, then let us know...

I am doing my own homework, that was the origin of my post. I'm looking for pictures of military contract knives; Where else would they be posted? You are 100% correct - I know little or nothing about these military contract knives. So, please if you could, enlighten me with your knowledge, and photos if you have them.

So far, after all these ruffled feathers, all we have seen is one (1) unused knife from 2001 next to a guy in a Santa suit.

MORIMOTOM- Nobody has to prove anything, but as soon as they start pointing that out it makes me more suspicious. If the claims are true, it shouldn't be a big deal, and I will look dumb at the end served with my pictures, right?

 

[Raining]

I have never heard Jerry use the military orders as clever marketing (i.e. Busse is the official knife of the xxx unit). If he says that he has extras from an order, then so be it.

I buy Busse because they are beautiful, functional and have some of the best customer service I have ever seen. I'm sure there are those in the military who think the same.

May God bless our men and women in uniform who ensure we continue to have the freedoms we have. :thumbup:

 

[MORIMOTOM]

I am doing my own homework, that was the origin of my post. I'm looking for pictures of military contract knives; Where else would they be posted? You are 100% correct - I know little or nothing about these military contract knives. So, please if you could, enlighten me with your knowledge, and photos if you have them.

So far, after all these ruffled feathers, all we have seen is one (1) unused knife from 2001 next to a guy in a Santa suit.

MORIMOTOM- Nobody has to prove anything, but as soon as they start pointing that out it makes me more suspicious. If the claims are true, it shouldn't be a big deal, and I will look dumb at the end served with my pictures, right?

be as suspicious as you want. i dont think anyone cares if you are suspicious.

every post was an appropriate response to your accusations.

maybe there arent pictures, or maybe there are and no one wants to share with you.

there are many active and former military who post here and own busse knives. there have been pictures posted.

the onus is on you to find them, not everyone else to bring them to you.

 

[UffDa]

LP:

I suggest that you take your original post, change Busse to Strider or Mad Dog and post it on their forums. I would be interested in what kind of reaction you get over there.

I won't post the links here, but I'm sure that with your computer savvy you won't have any difficulty finding them.