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nccole said:
The only argument for tip down is speed of deployment and Sal designed it that way. I couldn't care less about speed of deployment
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I carry both ways but tip down is more secure for me. If I pull out a tip up knife I have to let go of the knife somehow in order to flip it around so I can open it. Under normal draw my thumb ends up too far from the thumb hole. Under normal conditions this is not a problem but I worry that if I was pulling out the knife in a high stress situation I could drop it. I also use a tip up knife a lot while working around the house and I worry that when I need to use it on a ladder I might drop it on the ground. This is not a problem with a tip down knife so I consider this another argument in favor of tip down.

I like the increased speed of tip down although it probably never will really matter to me. It just feels better and is a more direct way of operating the knife.

As far as designed that way, that could be true. I recall that most clip knives of around 20 years ago were tip down. My theory is that there were 2 factors that got tip up started. 1. FRN handles with molded in clips didn't work well with tip down because the clip got in the way of the blade pivot. 2. Locks such as the axis lock and BBL lock didn't work well with tip down clip positions. If we had stayed with G10 liner lock knives they might all still be tip down.
 
bdmicarta said:
I carry both ways but tip down is more secure for me. If I pull out a tip up knife I have to let go of the knife somehow in order to flip it around so I can open it. Under normal draw my thumb ends up too far from the thumb hole. Under normal conditions this is not a problem but I worry that if I was pulling out the knife in a high stress situation I could drop it. I also use a tip up knife a lot while working around the house and I worry that when I need to use it on a ladder I might drop it on the ground. This is not a problem with a tip down knife so I consider this another argument in favor of tip down.

I like the increased speed of tip down although it probably never will really matter to me. It just feels better and is a more direct way of operating the knife.

As far as designed that way, that could be true. I recall that most clip knives of around 20 years ago were tip down. My theory is that there were 2 factors that got tip up started. 1. FRN handles with molded in clips didn't work well with tip down because the clip got in the way of the blade pivot. 2. Locks such as the axis lock and BBL lock didn't work well with tip down clip positions. If we had stayed with G10 liner lock knives they might all still be tip down.
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I did a lot of work on top of ladders when I was farming. Tip up had me using a lanyard clipped to belt so if I dropped the knife, I didn't have to go down to pick it up. I get the insert the thumb into pocket so it's near pivot but it's not so easy when I'm concentrating on something else. I had to do extra manipulation to get my thumb near the thumbhole on tip up knives like my manix. Tip down for me means, just pinch pivot area, pull knife out of pocket, grip knife with 3 more fingers and thumb open.

With tip up, it's just two steps, but the first step often gets iffy in awkward positions.
 
I guess I don't notice any extra fumbling with tip up. Tip up or down on deployment is a wash for me, which is why the other factors are important to me.
 
nccole said:
I guess I don't notice any extra fumbling with tip up. Tip up or down on deployment is a wash for me, which is why the other factors are important to me.
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I agree, tip up works best for me. Especially important is the peace of mind I get knowing the knife will never accidentally open in my pocket.

No problem fumbling or having to reposition my hand for deployment either way. I actually think tip-down is awkward when returning the knife to pocket since you have to spin it around after closing. Guess you'd get used to it though.

It's really just a matter of personal preference. Saying that someone's opinion on this is wrong just doesn't make any sense.

I do agree with those who don't want extra clip holes though. Let's hope for tip-up only holes on the military 2, since that's what I prefer. :-)
 
I think for most of us, there's little practical difference between tip up/down. That being said, I always look past tip down knives because I simply don't like the way they look and, more importantly, feel once in my hand. I rarely carry a knife anywhere near as long as the Military and when I do, it's a fixed blade.
 
The Millie is a great knife. I just mailed a new one out this morning to a cop I know, and then went to Mickey D's and rewarded my generosity with Senior coffee and bacon/egg/cheese biscuit. :)
I much prefer the PM2's for myself, but for a cop with gloves on, the Millie is likely preferable.
It is a nice blade, and at 0.145" thick spine, it's very capable. I don't think that Sal was wrong at all.
 
Sonnydaze said:
The Millie is a great knife. I just mailed a new one out this morning to a cop I know, and then went to Mickey D's and rewarded my generosity with Senior coffee and bacon/egg/cheese biscuit. :)
I much prefer the PM2's for myself, but for a cop with gloves on, the Millie is likely preferable.
It is a nice blade, and at 0.145" thick spine, it's very capable. I don't think that Sal was wrong at all.
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You are exactly right. As a first responder I con attest that the Mili has important design characteristics that a regular carrier might not realize or appreciate.
The Military was designed perfectly the first time. Evident in its one and only version. There are not four or five generations as in other models. There can be only one!
 
Sonnydaze said:
The Millie is a great knife. I just mailed a new one out this morning to a cop I know, and then went to Mickey D's and rewarded my generosity with Senior coffee and bacon/egg/cheese biscuit. :)
I much prefer the PM2's for myself, but for a cop with gloves on, the Millie is likely preferable.
It is a nice blade, and at 0.145" thick spine, it's very capable. I don't think that Sal was wrong at all.
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Among its virtues, the Military is IMO unequalled for use with either gloves or numb hands. It is the only folder I can safely open, use and unlock with seriously chilled hands. YMMV but that's how it's worked out for me.
 
Extra holes don't bother me and options are good. I like tip up option on my boat knives because i carry iwb and use a wrist lanyard. That doesn't really work well with tip down. I find it equally easy to pull my knife out and open it in either configuration.
 
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