Mini PSK contents question

Bruceter

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Do you put a compass in your mini kits?
I am putting together a couple of Altoid tin size kits and am wondering if it is worth putting a compass in them.

Would they do any good if you got lost and weren't watching a compass to begin with?

TIA

Bruceter
 
short answer is yes, i carry one with me everywhere, getting lost is a very real possibility...it is my habit to mark my bearings and know my azimuth and back azimuth every few minutes or so...its an old habit that has served me well
 
I have a compass in my PSK just because I normally have my compass in my hand or something like that which increases the chances that I will drop it if the SHTF (eg. fall into river, chased by something) and I lose it I have a backup. I do carry two for redundancy but if something happens to that, I rather not use the rest of the PSK's contents and use the compass to find my way out.
But if you feel capable in your compass('es) or you can navigate with the things around you you could add more to your kit.
Possibly a few more pieces of tinder, whistle.
But in the end its what you feel comfortable with. A cliche as its getting now "The more you know the less you carry"
 
Thanks for the replies, I think I'll get a couple button compasess to put in my kits.

Bruceter
 
...Would they do any good if you got lost and weren't watching a compass to begin with?...

Idealy, when you go into an area where getting lost (or just turned around) is even remotely possible, you have either carried a map or at least familiarized yourself with the terrain and boundrys before going. In this case, yes. A compass will help you regain your orientation, even a simple "this is approximately North" compass.

Codger
 
get the suunto clipper!!!!

you can just wear it on your wrist, occupying less space in your kit, and it's just a great compass.
 
Yes but you can also use a wristwatch in North America to find your general direction as long as you can find the sun.
 
If you are well and truly lost and have no map and no skills to triangulate a compass gets you more lost in a straight line.

Take a bearing before you head in at least. Yes a compass can be usefull under certain conditions and should be included. The one you got is quality.

Skam
 
If you are well and truly lost and have no map and no skills to triangulate a compass gets you more lost in a straight line.
Take a beiring before you head in at least. Yes a compass can be usefull under certain conditions and should be included. The one you got is quality.
Skam

What's a "beiring"? :confused:
 
First, from what I've read, it seems like the most common ways folks get into a survival situation is (1) getting lost/disoriented, and (2) getting stuck unexpectedly (snowed in, darkness, fog, crash, imobilizing injury).

If someone is truely lost, it honestly seems to me that without (1) some idea where you are - which would mean you're not really lost, (2) a good map of the area and landmarks for triangulation or visual identification of your location, or (3) a GPS, the compass will, as said, only help you get more lost in a straight line.

While some folks get all nuts over the inclusion of a GPS in a kit, even the most basic GPS is sooooo much better than a compass alone at helping someone who is lost to become, well, unlost. Of course they are only useful IF the user saves a waypoint for their "home" location (whether that is a car, tent, cabin, ...).

While a map can certainly be used to help someone get "unlost", it requires a certain amount of skill and a set of identifiable landmarks.

The Garmin Geko units are amazingly small and lightweight and really quite powerful for getting "unlost".

As mentioned, if someone is truly lost, a compass, by itself, will only allow them to walk in a known direction and in a straight line - assuming the terrain allows it. Now, if you're carrying a GPS, it will tell you the bearing and the distance to "home".

With that in mind, it is critical that a compass be carried and that it can be used to follow a bearing reasonably well. Each person needs to evaluate that for themselves as some folks can do wonders with a simple button compass.

Of course I'd also recommend carrying a spare set of batteries for the GPS used.
 
If you are well and truly lost and have no map and no skills to triangulate a compass gets you more lost in a straight line.

Take a bearing before you head in at least. Yes a compass can be usefull under certain conditions and should be included. The one you got is quality.

Skam

Or at least have a general idea of where you are in relation to some big/long features. If you know there's a north-south highway west of you, any straight line west will get you out of a fix. Likewise, if you know you're north of the river and east of the town on the river, heading straight south first will make finding the town a simple navigation problem even if you don't know exactly where you're starting.
 
If you are well and truly lost and have no map and no skills to triangulate a compass gets you more lost in a straight line.

Take a bearing before you head in at least. Yes a compass can be usefull under certain conditions and should be included. The one you got is quality.

Skam

How can you get more lost going in a straight line... at least you are heading in one direction and not re walking areas or going in circles.
 
Or at least have a general idea of where you are in relation to some big/long features. If you know there's a north-south highway west of you, any straight line west will get you out of a fix. Likewise, if you know you're north of the river and east of the town on the river, heading straight south first will make finding the town a simple navigation problem even if you don't know exactly where you're starting.


If you have a general idea of where you are and know about exiting features you are not lost.

If in fact you are in the middle of nowhere and realize you have no 360 degree orientation and no way of finding a landmark a compass is useless to you.

This is what usually happens with lost people and the reason they walk in circles. Its also the reason SAR finds them easier than someone who has a compass and travels 10 more miles into nowhere in a straight line.

If you are lost at sea and have no idea what direction to paddle what good is a compass? The same principal applies on land.

Skam
 
How can you get more lost going in a straight line... at least you are heading in one direction and not re walking areas or going in circles.


You will likely pick the wrong bearing and travel deeper into trouble.

Find water and resources and stay put.

If you know the road you came in on is running east west you are not lost as you have a landmark and a bearing to shoot towards.

If someone blindfolded you and dropped you off into the bush what direction do you dial into your compass?.....

Skam
 
You will likely pick the wrong bearing and travel deeper into trouble.

Find water and resources and stay put.

If you know the road you came in on is running east west you are not lost as you have a landmark and a bearing to shoot towards.

If someone blindfolded you and dropped you off into the bush what direction do you dial into your compass?.....

Skam

I hear what your getting at but if you are dropped into the bush with no idea where you are, (plane crash?) one thing I was taught was to map the area your in, and the areas you pass through. Even if it's just notes to yourself on a small paper. If you get a landmark from a high vantage point and get a bearing you can maintain your heading while in the thick without having to climb for a vantage point. Ever been in a swamp? It all looks the same when it's thick.
 
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