Mini RSK MK1 "Ritter Grip" - Initial impression from a knife newbie

Yes....very nice review !....thanks. I own a Grip 551 and a Cabelas D2.....and some day perhaps a Ritter. I just like the design despite the "affect" the hadles project. Somehow a handle in a color other than black helps "distract"
me from the hollow, plastic demeanor of the design. Otherwise they function beautifully. Just my insignificant 2 cents.

-Regards
 
Sledgehammer said:
After reading this I have to ask (because I'm getting ready to buy) is the RSK worth the extra money?

Is it worth $45 more to get the fatter blade in S30V rather than the standard blade in 440C?


I had the same question; it is one of the few things that has prevented me from buying one.
 
Dijos said:
I had the same question; it is one of the few things that has prevented me from buying one.

Yeah for the price of the Ritter Mini I can get a 555 and a 556 and have 2 great knives.

Or I can buy one 705 or one 707.

That's difficult.
 
Sledgehammer said:
After reading this I have to ask (because I'm getting ready to buy) is the RSK worth the extra money?

Is it worth $45 more to get the fatter blade in S30V rather than the standard blade in 440C?

YES! The improvement in steel aside, the improvement in blade geometry is significant. It is a much better cutter because of the geometry. I have a standard mini-Grip in D2, which, by my experience, is a better edgeholder than the S30V, but I usually carry the mini-RSK simply because of the better geometry. Think Opinel edge geometry in S30V.
 
allenC said:
Actually, Benchmade has some contoured G-10 handled knives too, the 730 Ares series and the 721 Pardue also.
And they have some contoured aluminum handled knives as well.

Yes they do.

And they MSRP around $200.

Considering that the available price (small run etc) for the existing Ritter Benchmade is at or above full MSRP for the original Grip, we are left to imagine that a Ritter Ares/Presidio/etc would have an actual (not suggested) price tag north of $200. How well do you think they would sell there?

For that kind of money you can already get BM limited edidtions in upgraded materials - there were S30V versions of the Ares and Presidio. And when they come out they're available at dealer discounts.

Doug's a bright guy; I'm guessing if he decides he can offer a Ritter Ares/G-10 Grip/etc and make money on it, we'll hear about it. :D

But there is that part where the Grip is pretty much THE most comfortable, ergonomic folder BM makes - if they come out with a regular BM grip upgraded to full built (G10 and 154CM) in their normal price range I'd be severely tempted. The linerless (Grip-like) G10 BM 770 limited edition is my favorite small Benchmade, the linerless carbon fibre 940 is one of my favorite full size ones.
 
Nick,

I think you're a little off on you numbers.
I just visited Benchmades website and here are a few prices:

550 Griptilian $95.00
552-400 RitterGrip $105.00
720 Pardue $155.00
732BK Ares $165.00

And those are Benchmade's suggested retail prices--you can find them for much less on the internet and in knife shops.

So I doubt if adding contoured G-10 scales would raise the price above the 732's price.

Allen.
 
I read on doug's site that he specifically chose the griptilian to keep the price low, so folks would buy and carry them.


From Equipped.org:

The aim was to produce a practical utility and survival folder of uncommon strength, ease of use and top level performance at a price that would be, if not cheap, at least affordable. It had to be damn good, but it also had to be reasonably priced. "Good value" is a term that comes to mind.
 
allenC said:
Nick,

I think you're a little off on you numbers.
I just visited Benchmades website and here are a few prices:

550 Griptilian $95.00
552-400 RitterGrip $105.00
720 Pardue $155.00
732BK Ares $165.00

And those are Benchmade's suggested retail prices--you can find them for much less on the internet and in knife shops.

So I doubt if adding contoured G-10 scales would raise the price above the 732's price.

Allen.

Allen, you can get the 550, the 720, and the 732 for far below those prices - but you can't get the Ritter Grip far below those prices, because it's only available through Aeromedix.

So the mini Ritter Grip MSRPs at $105, and you can own one for $105. The regular mini grip MSRPs at $95, and you can own one for $55. The two existing Ritter special Benchmades are NOT available through the distributor chain to internet dealers, and therefore they are not available at the kind of discounts other Benchmades are. (Same kind of thing with, say, the Random Leek - the price looks good, given the features, compared to the MSRP of the regular Leek. But you can ONLY get the Random Leek through Chesapeake, at their price, which doesn't look like such a small bump when you compare it to the street price of a Leek.)

So my point is, given that current Ritter BMs are *only* available at a price which is higher *than the MSRP* - not the street price - of the 'donor' model they are based on, it seems highly likely that a G10 Ritter Benchmade would cost (actually cost, to own) more than the MSRP of the base model G10 handled Benchmades.

And what's the MSRP of non-mini, non plastic handled, Axis lock Benchmades?

710 $170
806 $175
732 $165
520 $180
420 $180

So given that the Ritter Grips - available only from Ritter, through Aeromedix - cost more than Griptilian MSRP, it looks to me like a G10 Ritter BM would have a cost - real street price - quite probably over $180.

Say, $200+. :cool:

And if we see a G10 Ritter Benchmade, it'll be based on a full-built G10 Benchmade model. The cost of setting up a special tooling run to create a G10 Griptillian would push the per item cost at least that high, which is why to everyone who says "I'd pay a few more bucks for an Aluminum / G10 / carbon fibre Griptilian" Benchmade has said no, you'd pay QUITE a few more bucks.

Now these days Doug is selling his grips a few bucks cheaper than he used to. But it's still over MSRP of the regular Grips, ie, no where near their street price. And I haven't heard anything to make me think that wouldn't be the case for a G10 model.

The only way I see Doug Ritter blade design Benchmades available at anything like other Benchmade prices is if Benchmade decides to license them and produce them as a regular model (ie pay Doug royalties rather than have him sell the knives.)

Seriously - am I missing something? I'd love an affordable, G10 handled, Axis lock, high alloy folder with a Doug Ritter designed blade. I just don't see it being very likely, especially the "affordable" part, at least as compared to what Benchmades actually cost to own.

OK, last time I think I wasn't clear enough because my post was short enough to misunderstand, but I think I can safely stop now and be sure that wherther or not you agree with me, you see my chain of thought.

Unless I put you to sleep reading. :D
 
Could we use G10 scales or maybe just G10 inserts on the current griptilians? That might be a good compromise.

I personally use the D2 minigrip, but I like the ritter grip a lot too....I don't believe it's worth the price difference, personally (I'm a pretty big fan of D2), but I can say that if I could have either I'd take the Ritter...and I hate to admit that I really want one despite already owning a good minigrip.

Nonetheless, you can get G10, a 3 inch blade, an excellent lock and S30V on another knife for a price close to that in the paramilitary, or maybe the mini manix.

Seriously though--I really like my G10, and I think it looks MUCH higher quality than my FRNish stuff, but I think people underestimate FRN or whatever Benchmade uses on the minigrips. That stuff is surprisingly tough and so/so grippy.
 
I think, given his goals, Doug hit the target in the X-ring with his Mini-Grip.

I've got four knives of this size: mini-Ritter, mini-Grip from Cabela's, Bradley Alias II and a KaBar Dozier folding hunter.

Were I to pick one on any given day with the parameters being ease of carry and the knife most likely to well survive any use to which I put it, I think the mini-Ritter would get the nod.

Were a person to ask me for recommendation, it would likely be, "What do you want to spend?" - $20, get the KaBar; $70 get the Cabela's; $100, get the mini-Ritter. I think all three of these knives offer good value for the dollar spent.

Now, what I would find interesting would be the mini-Ritter offered in D2 (or VG-10?) ... 'course we've already covered the economics of small runs, so I guess it just isn't likely.

In any case, I'm looking forward to Doug's collaboration with BM on a fixed blade. I know the Ritter-Beckers will probably be out first, but the Becker handles don't work well for me ... so I'm waiting to see what Doug and BM put together.

And, as far as wishes go, if the Spydie folk ever put out a slightly larger version of the Kopa, I'd get one in a flash. Talk about well-made beauty!
 
MGF said:
Now, what I would find interesting would be the mini-Ritter offered in D2 ... 'course we've already covered the economics of small runs, so I guess it just isn't likely.
It's not beyond me to beat a dead horse so... the RSK would be an absolute mythical blockbuster with nicer scales. How about this. Take the legendary BM 705, keep that handle, and replace the blade with the RSK. Talk about a knockout. You could do the same with the 707 but I like the idea of having the two seperate. All you RSK folks tell me you wouldn't like that. Would you pay an extra $20-40 bucks for that? I would in a heartbeat.
 
MGF said:
In any case, I'm looking forward to Doug's collaboration with BM on a fixed blade. .........I'm waiting to see what Doug and BM put together.


Excuse me, would you mind going to the back of the queue...

:D
 
Steven Andrews said:
Excuse me, would you mind going to the back of the queue...

:D
I know it wasn't aimed at me but since you reside in the original Jersey and I come from the NEW Jersey, would you mind falling behind me in the queue? You lost in that whole Revolutionary debacle we had, so it only seems far innit? :D
 
So given that the Ritter Grips - available only from Ritter, through Aeromedix - cost more than Griptilian MSRP, it looks to me like a G10 Ritter BM would have a cost - real street price - quite probably over $180.

Nick, I think I see what you're saying.
But you have uncovered the real problem:
It's not the raw materials that would drive up the cost, it's the marketing strategy involved.
I'm not questioning Mr. Ritter's intentions, and I am a capitalist and would never begrudge a man for making a profit, but an affordable G-10 scale RitterGrip could be manufactured and marketed well below $180.00 if the parties involved had the desire.

BTW, who still pays MSRP these days anyway?

Allen.
 
I thnk I have to challenge the fundamental assumption that the grip is a problem that needs fixed with supposedly "better" matrials. I gave my Mini Grip away, but I loved it, whatever the handle material is it did it's job fine. I don't know what else you could ask for. Looks cheap, seems cheap just aren't rational arguments.
 
Laceration said:
It's not beyond me to beat a dead horse so... the RSK would be an absolute mythical blockbuster with nicer scales. How about this. Take the legendary BM 705, keep that handle, and replace the blade with the RSK. Talk about a knockout. You could do the same with the 707 but I like the idea of having the two seperate. All you RSK folks tell me you wouldn't like that. Would you pay an extra $20-40 bucks for that? I would in a heartbeat.


I think that this is the problem...You would pay 20-40 bucks above MSRP for a 705? D2 would probably eat that up, Plus Doug's cut. Now you're looking at more than 40 bucks premium. The spyderco forum is full of folks who swear that they will pay more for a knife with certain features, but they don't. I for one am too cheap to pay MSRP, especially when I don't have to.
 
Laceration said:
I know it wasn't aimed at me but since you reside in the original Jersey and I come from the NEW Jersey, would you mind falling behind me in the queue? You lost in that whole Revolutionary debacle we had, so it only seems far innit? :D

Respect your elders..join the back of the queue..:)
 
allenC said:
Nick, I think I see what you're saying.
But you have uncovered the real problem:
It's not the raw materials that would drive up the cost, it's the marketing strategy involved.

Oh, absolutely. If the Ritter was a regular Benchmade variant, not an Aeromeix exclusive, it would MSRP for ~$10-$20 above a Grip's MSRP - *AND* it would actually be available for ~$10-$20 above a Grip's street price.

allenC said:
BTW, who still pays MSRP these days anyway?

Anyone who wants a Ritter Grip. :p
 
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