minor redesigning of HI site & request for some info

Originally posted by beoram
decided to post a prelimary trial of the new new page:

New New HI page

Pen's responsible for most or all the new good changes - but I've tweaked it a little so if something looks a bit off it's most likely my doing....

as always, comments & criticism welcome & appreciated,

--B
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Much better Ben!!!!
The HI logo khukuri didn't load for me though.
 
Beo & Bill,

Not a problem. Just doing my part to help out.

1st page - logo is still not loading.

background image - I was sad to see it go. I really liked the rice paper. :( I think that without it, it is not as cohesive (in terms of color scheme).

2nd page - the "Next Page" links are wrapping strangely. It looks like one of the columns in the table is too far left - see how the text below the picture does not go all the way to the right of the page?

By the way, thanks for the plug at the bottom of each page. :):D

If you ever need any more help in the way of graphic design, let me know. I'm always doing avatar contests and would be happy to make a logo or animation, etc. for the "Cantina".

Dan
 
Originally posted by pendentive
Beo & Bill,

Not a problem. Just doing my part to help out.

1st page - logo is still not loading.

background image - I was sad to see it go. I really liked the rice paper. :( I think that without it, it is not as cohesive (in terms of color scheme).

2nd page - the "Next Page" links are wrapping strangely. It looks like one of the columns in the table is too far left - see how the text below the picture does not go all the way to the right of the page?

By the way, thanks for the plug at the bottom of each page. :):D

If you ever need any more help in the way of graphic design, let me know. I'm always doing avatar contests and would be happy to make a logo or animation, etc. for the "Cantina".

Dan
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Pen - oh I didn't delete the background, that's how your files came over? I thought perhaps that was intentional - someone had suggested a different background. I'll play with it a bit.

--B.
 
there, some it at least should be fixed now.

Test HI Page



and brendan, no, this is not the new address (I don't think my Uni. would appreciate that ;)), just the temporary location for versions-in-progress.

--B.
 
Beo,

I hate to nitpick...Ok, fine. I love to nitpick!:D:D:D

The "Next Page" links on the 2nd page are still kinda quirky. The first one goes to your D: drive. The 2nd one at the bottom is wrapped funny.

Thanks for restoring the background. I guess I left that file out somehow? Looks better IMHO. :):)

Best,

Dan
 
Originally posted by pendentive
Beo,

I hate to nitpick...Ok, fine. I love to nitpick!:D:D:D

The "Next Page" links on the 2nd page are still kinda quirky. The first one goes to your D: drive. The 2nd one at the bottom is wrapped funny.

Thanks for restoring the background. I guess I left that file out somehow? Looks better IMHO. :):)

Best,

Dan
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I figured out the background thing - it was pointing to a file on your hard drive (just like my 2nd page link...). Yes I know about that, and about the funny wrapping of the other. Few things to play with before 'it's official'.

I mainly wanted to get comments from people (Yvsa - took your comment to heart, and the next version you see will reflect this [gives the first page 'a stronger ending' too..] - ta for that).

But, feel free to nitpick away! - it's good to have some these details pointed out that I might not notice.


cheers again,
--Ben
 
Originally posted by beoram

I mainly wanted to get comments from people (Yvsa - took your comment to heart, and the next version you see will reflect this [gives the first page 'a stronger ending' too..] - ta for that).

But, feel free to nitpick away! - it's good to have some these details pointed out that I might not notice.


cheers again,
--Ben
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Thanks Ben.
Didn't the logo khukuri once have a background behind it as well?
The pic loads for me okay now.
 
Looks great, Beoram!
Ready to ride...

Dan
 
I don't know anything about web design, but it looks really nice to me:D

Good job and thanks to "Ben and Pen webdesigns":D
 
Beo and Pen:

Looking good and a lot less jumbled!

A)
The next page link on page one partially loads for me, then replaces the second page with this error:
[edit: ditto page 3, links page]
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Not Found

The requested URL /~slade/temp/hi/HI_files/navbar.txt was not found on this server.


Apache/1.3.4 Server at www.cog.jhu.edu Port 80
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(I'm using an older version of Netscape on a Mac.)

B)
There are 5 pages of product description (Khukuris, Khukuris II, etc.) I think they should have navigation to the other product description pages available. Could just replace the "Home" link with the bar on intro page.

C)
I think that there's more than enough stuff here to justify a "site map" or the like. The exercise of producing one might generate some new organsational ideas as well.

'nother edit below:

D)
Maybe a link to Cliff Stamp's reviews on page 3 near the text "...just ask the experts..."
 
Ben,

The page looks good, but the top bar is a bit cluttered. Can we consolidate Khukuries I & II, and the Village Models?

Also, the National Knife Museam has stopped operation, closed down, and sold the building - I am not sure what the current status of the collection is.

n2s
 
Originally posted by firkin
Beo and Pen:

Looking good and a lot less jumbled!

A)
The next page link on page one partially loads for me, then replaces the second page with this error:
[edit: ditto page 3, links page]
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Not Found

The requested URL /~slade/temp/hi/HI_files/navbar.txt was not found on this server.


Apache/1.3.4 Server at www.cog.jhu.edu Port 80
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I'm not quite sure what this is...the navbar.txt I think is a 'by-product' of something that Pen was doing...I'm sure it refers to the Webring stuff, but it only needs to be on the first page...I'll have to look back into that.

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(I'm using an older version of Netscape on a Mac.)

B)
There are 5 pages of product description (Khukuris, Khukuris II, etc.) I think they should have navigation to the other product description pages available. Could just replace the "Home" link with the bar on intro page.
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OK - there's also a suggestion to consolidate the khukuri pages - but that will create a BIG page which will take a while to load for some.


C)
I think that there's more than enough stuff here to justify a "site map" or the like. The exercise of producing one might generate some new organsational ideas as well.
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suggestions on where to put that?


'nother edit below:

D)
Maybe a link to Cliff Stamp's reviews on page 3 near the text "...just ask the experts..."
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OK -
 
Originally posted by not2sharp
Ben,

The page looks good, but the top bar is a bit cluttered. Can we consolidate Khukuries I & II, and the Village Models?
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see above


Also, the National Knife Museam has stopped operation, closed down, and sold the building - I am not sure what the current status of the collection is.
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should we just take that out or...?

--B
 
Keep pecking away, Beo. It's all beyond my capabilities.

Thanks again, Beo and all, for such fine help.
 
Originally posted by beoram
OK - there's also a suggestion to consolidate the khukuri pages - but that will create a BIG page which will take a while to load for some.
...suggestions on where to put that?
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I think he means just consolidating the links. Once you get to the "khukuri section" then you would go to page 1, 2, 3, etc. That way the pages would still be medium-sized.


The comments you're getting are great. I would go ahead and upload the new pages and then just make the corrections as more people visit the site (and I'm sure there will be more "suggestions"):).

Dan
 
I think he means just consolidating the links. Once you get to the "khukuri section" then you would go to page 1, 2, 3, etc. That way the pages would still be medium-sized.
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Exactly. Once you get into a subsection describing the products (NOT the shopping site) you should be able to get to all the pages without going "home". Especially since the "khukuries" hypertext in the intro text takes you to the first of these five product pages but you can't go to the other four from there. My vote is to keep the pages medium sized. I would consolidate the categories though, even though some categories may be 1/2 page, others several.

a suggestion:
*khukuries and knives
*swords
*new for 2001

eventually it may be a good idea to further categorize or designate the products:

*stock item (on shopping site, usually available)
*often not in stock (orders filled as product available e.g M43, Chitlangi please contact[?])
*Special and custom order (limited availabilty, please contact e.g Cherokee Rose)

Somewhere it might be more explicitly mentioned that custom orders with carved handles, scabbards, different handle materials, blade engraving, etc can be arranged.


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Site map: lots of larger sites have them. They are just a collection of links to all of the pages or sections. Organization varies--table of contents, index, outline, hierarchial tree, whatever seems most intuitive or matches the site's structure. Ideally you should be able to get to it from any page, if you get lost, but a prominent link near the top of the home page is adequate and easy to refer to. The outline or tree organization is probably best IMO
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The error message I get replaces the HI page with the message (probably my older browser) when I go "back" and stop loading the page just before the error re-occurs, all the text but none of the pictures have loaded. May help locate it?
 
Originally posted by firkin


Exactly. Once you get into a subsection describing the products (NOT the shopping site) you should be able to get to all the pages without going "home". Especially since the "khukuries" hypertext in the intro text takes you to the first of these five product pages but you can't go to the other four from there. My vote is to keep the pages medium sized. I would consolidate the categories though, even though some categories may be 1/2 page, others several.

a suggestion:
*khukuries and knives
*swords
*new for 2001

eventually it may be a good idea to further categorize or designate the products:

*stock item (on shopping site, usually available)
*often not in stock (orders filled as product available e.g M43, Chitlangi please contact[?])
*Special and custom order (limited availabilty, please contact e.g Cherokee Rose)

Somewhere it might be more explicitly mentioned that custom orders with carved handles, scabbards, different handle materials, blade engraving, etc can be arranged.


---
Site map: lots of larger sites have them. They are just a collection of links to all of the pages or sections. Organization varies--table of contents, index, outline, hierarchial tree, whatever seems most intuitive or matches the site's structure. Ideally you should be able to get to it from any page, if you get lost, but a prominent link near the top of the home page is adequate and easy to refer to. The outline or tree organization is probably best IMO
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The error message I get replaces the HI page with the message (probably my older browser) when I go "back" and stop loading the page just before the error re-occurs, all the text but none of the pictures have loaded. May help locate it?
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FIrkin - I add a 'nav bar' to the khukuri pages...cycles through khuk1, khuk2 & villagers; with the reg nav bar to get to the new products, swords, &c.

I'm going to be re-arranging the product pages sometime, so I think I'll leave it as is, at least for now. I hesistate to combine the khukuri pages (they will become longer when I update the new products page) as 56k moderm people will have to wait too long perhaps.

I fixed the thing which is giving your browser problems (I believe).

I'll think about the site map - we wouldn't want to improve too much too quickly after all ;)

The newly revised page(s) are up on the test site location - but the way the links work many of them will end up dropping you at the current 'official' HI site...so it's hard to test. Perhaps we should just go ahead and upload the new pages? ANy objections?

--B.
 
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