Mirror Mirror SYKCO Skinner

Rob_Mob said:
Thanks guys! This edge is clean and as an apex thickness of .5 Microns. It's a V edge and it blends well into the secondary grind. I'm curious to see how the 15 degree edge holds up. I just know that for a 3/16ths thick knife --- it's slicey;)
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You could take it down to 12 dps and reduce edge thickness and I would still consider that a heavy use knife that I would not hesitate to use digging in rocky soil. Generally, whatever comes on a production knife I feel is about twice as obtuse and thick as it needs to be for heavy use. Light use and you could probably cut that 12 dps in half with no problems.
 
wow. That's awesome. The skinner was kind of a sleeper with all the great knives coming out. I'm super impressed with it.... Should have bought more..
 
CHEMMINS said:
Your sharpening skillz are amazing. I should really buck up and order a WE.
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Mumbojumboo said:
wow. That's awesome. The skinner was kind of a sleeper with all the great knives coming out. I'm super impressed with it.... Should have bought more..
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Thanks Gents! The Skinner feels very solid and I think it's great looking. I love it!

Maggot Brain said:
You could take it down to 12 dps and reduce edge thickness and I would still consider that a heavy use knife that I would not hesitate to use digging in rocky soil. Generally, whatever comes on a production knife I feel is about twice as obtuse and thick as it needs to be for heavy use. Light use and you could probably cut that 12 dps in half with no problems.
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I'm very tempted to try those extreme acute angles ---- I wonder though how much more often would they need to be sharpened? I'm assuming you mean with no micro bevel right?
 
Rob_Mob said:
Thanks Gents! The Skinner feels very solid and I think it's great looking. I love it!

I'm very tempted to try those extreme acute angles ---- I wonder though how much more often would they need to be sharpened? I'm assuming you mean with no micro bevel right?
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You could do either or, it wont add any strength being that small. I would not consider those ranges extreme, try it and see first hand.... ;) Now, I can assure you abusive things such as cutting metal will leave you less than impressed and busy grinding.
 
The question begs to what end... I run my working knives through the WSKO at 20dps and strop black/green. Guess what, they cut extremely well IN USE, skinning/dressing/breaking down a critter, as well as any other task I can come up with and they hold the edge.

Yep, no doubt at all I admire a beautiful looking edge and, like most cave men, enjoy cutting things like hairs or shaving phone books that serve little practical purpose, but from a using perspective you are getting down into the realm of an imbalanced investment of time vs gain. That said, yep...I keep on sharpening but the reality is there is no dire need to do so past a certain point for most all of us. I was reminded of this in Africa watching Skinners "touch up" their knives on a rock, or "puk stone" at best then "steeling" the edge on the back of a machete.
 
Andy the Aussie said:
The question begs to what end... I run my working knives through the WSKO at 20dps and strop black/green. Guess what, they cut extremely well IN USE, skinning/dressing/breaking down a critter, as well as any other task I can come up with and they hold the edge.

Yep, no doubt at all I admire a beautiful looking edge and, like most cave men, enjoy cutting things like hairs or shaving phone books that serve little practical purpose, but from a using perspective you are getting down into the realm of an imbalanced investment of time vs gain. That said, yep...I keep on sharpening but the reality is there is no dire need to do so past a certain point for most all of us. I was reminded of this in Africa watching Skinners "touch up" their knives on a rock, or "puk stone" at best then "steeling" the edge on the back of a machete.
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Hey Andy,

Not sure if your comment was directed at the original post or not --- but here are a couple of points I'd like to point out to you:

1. Many of us are knife enthusiasts who care about geometry, knife specs, knife performance, steel types, and future improvements to all of these parts.

2. If we all just cared about practicality, no one would venture beyond a simple steel that decently holds an edge and can cut.

3. We all know that Busse and Bussekin knives venture way out beyond the "practical point". That's why they have the reputation that they do and the warranty that makes them bomb proof.

4. A mirror polished edge cuts better, chops better, looks aesthetically better, and if done properly --- allows the sharpness of the edge to last longer.

5. The people who argue against the time it takes to prepare a mirror polished edge --- sound a lot like the people who argue that Knife Destruction tests are pointless and using a knife to chop down a tree to be silly --- or that a knife should not be used for battoning.

A mirror polished edge bevel is superior --- it's simple geometry and friction forces (or lack thereof ;) ). Even if the material being cut requires a more "toothy" edge --- a mirror polished edge bevel with a toothy micro bevel would be superior to any "working" edge.

Does that mean everyone needs a mirror polished edge?? --- No --- but we don't all need a Busse/Bussekin quality knife either . . .
 
Not really directed at the original post as such Rob, hell I admire your work !!! What I am getting at is that here on BF and other enthusiast sites there can be a tendency to loose sight of the practical aspects of what we are doing and being overly critical/elitist (not you at all - please don't think I am saying that) over what is "best" and "right" vs the practical aspects of the utilisation of the tool (not toy perhaps) at hand. I would put forward that the vast majority of users breaking down a deer/hog/buffalo etc in fading light and falling rain ;) will not notice much difference in use. That does not mean it is not a great idea to experiment, nor does it mean that I don't appreciate a finely sharpened blade either. I lean the same way toward destruction testing as well to be frank, I love to see a couple for a new knife/steel etc but beyond that I find them repeated over and over of little use. That I am not going to cut up a car with my Active Duty does not mean I don't get a laugh and appreciate watching someone else either... ;)
 
Rob_Mob said:
Lol this isn't High School --- there's no sides here --- we all love Andy ;)
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..... exactly....!!! Not so much loving me.....you are all human so it really is a bit of a given ;) , but on the theme that we all have an opinion based around our individual experiences. If we all just nod and go "yes you are right" without offering a contrary opinion (in the proper spirit it deserves) then we can get lost in our own worlds.
 
Andy the Aussie said:
Not really directed at the original post as such Rob, hell I admire your work !!! What I am getting at is that here on BF and other enthusiast sites there can be a tendency to loose sight of the practical aspects of what we are doing and being overly critical/elitist (not you at all - please don't think I am saying that) over what is "best" and "right" vs the practical aspects of the utilisation of the tool (not toy perhaps) at hand. I would put forward that the vast majority of users breaking down a deer/hog/buffalo etc in fading light and falling rain ;) will not notice much difference in use. That does not mean it is not a great idea to experiment, nor does it mean that I don't appreciate a finely sharpened blade either. I lean the same way toward destruction testing as well to be frank, I love to see a couple for a new knife/steel etc but beyond that I find them repeated over and over of little use. That I am not going to cut up a car with my Active Duty does not mean I don't get a laugh and appreciate watching someone else either... ;)
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:) Hahaha for sure brother --- I think I speak for everyone when I say that we love your travel/hunting adventures and how you get real world practical usage out of your knives. I think you're right --- that the differences in performance are often overly exaggerated. However, I personally have seen noticeable/measurable differences. Overall though --- I agree with pretty much everything you just said. Much Love Andy!!!
 
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