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hey, thinking about an EVO for blasting around in town, do any of ya guys have one? whats it like as far as performance/reliabilty/neat factor/etc??

how about compared to the suburu SRX (SVX?)or whatever they call it?? i have been told the EVO is much better finished and almost as fast??

what do ya think??

greg
 
The Subaru WRX STI is a close competitor to the EVO, in terms of power at least.

Fit and finish? The Subaru's I have seen are better compared to similar price point Mitsubishi cars. The mechanic neighbhor doesn't have much good to say about the Mitsubishi cars.

An EVO or WRX STI are both apt to have pretty high ownership costs. Insurance and general up keep on high strung cars like these should be considered as part of the purchase decision. FWIW, the car insurance rates on the WRX have sky rocketed where I live due to college age kids buying them and wrecking them while driving beyond their skill level, or just plain driving stupidily and piling them up.
 
General consensus is that the Evo has sharper handling, the STi has better power. Many have said they would choose the Evo for the track, STi for the daily driver. Both are tremendous performance values, no doubt.

As for build quality, STi/WRX beats Evo hands down. Subaru is one of the most reliable auto makers, while Mitsubishi simply isn't.

Realize that every car has it's "quirks". However, this recent thread over at Evolution Forums is pretty disturbing.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?threadid=38336&perpage=15&highlight=rust&pagenumber=1

Disclaimer: I've owned a WRX for the past two years. Haven't seen any rust though.
 
General consensus is that the Evo has sharper handling, the STi has better power. Many have said they would choose the Evo for the track, STi for the daily driver. Both are tremendous performance values, no doubt.
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Ditto.
 
The real question is, "is it for show, or go?"

And that's a big question. These little ricers have almost no torque (as Americans are used to) in the lower, and most used, RPM range. If you let your foot up, you have to 're-spool' to go anywhere; and that's how I race them.

Several years ago on the Interstate, a shiny Buick Grang National came up from behind my similarly shiny Mustang 5.0, intending to race. He didn't pull even with me, but he over-shot, and then let up on the gas to line us up. Big mistake.

As we stomped it, I had downshifted to third on a manual five-speed. For that initial burst, it was a geared down V-8 running against an automatic V-6. I got far enough ahead of him that by the time the 'hair-dryer' came on, the race was over.

Even my wife notices that when a ricer stomps it, it makes a lot of noise and nothing happens for a second or two. Fatal problem.

At least one truck, an F-150 Lightning (and the new sports Dodge Ram next year) go from zero to 60 much faster. Something like 5.6 vs the ricer's +7 seconds.

If you want something better than a loud, chromed Legacy, shop around for real cars.
 
Wow, that was the most uninformed post I've seen in G&G in quite some time. I don't even know what to say to that!

Tell me, have you driven either the Evo or the STi or even a WRX? Do you even know what you're talking about? Don't confuse a riced-out Honda Civic with an Evo, STi, or WRX. There's something to be said for a pocket rocket that's also got four doors and seats four comfortably, with an ample trunk to boot, all for a reasonable price.

FYI, the STi makes 300 ft-lbs of torque at 4000RPM, and much of that is available at 2000RPM. It's got a 6MT, so it'll be trivial to keep the engine in the optimal power range. No, it doesn't have the downlow of the V10 in a Viper, but we're not talking Viper prices either. Also, does a high-powered RWD car make 0-60 in under 5.0 seconds... ON GRAVEL?

Please, keep the uninformed banter out of this thread.
 
To the previous poster... How many times can you pull 0-60 before she goes flying apart?

Food for thought... if you dont need the back seat, these arent out of the price range!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2434374810&category=6168

The arguement of ricer vs non rice is kinda pointless. If you want a car, you can make it as fast as you want it provided you have the cash to do so. If raw power isnt the drawing card, then buy what ya want and dont think about the motor.

IF power is what you are after, you cannot beat an old muscle car for bang to the buck. Any old V8 with a new cam and headers can crank out enough power to move it fast enough to scare your self... but its only cheap if you like getting greasy.

4 wheel drive is the way to go... if all you want to do is get to 60 as quick as possible! To much faster then that, and the weight handy cap comes into play... rotating mass! But if you want a car that'll kill from 0-60 ($$) buy a AWD import. But if you expect to be able to blast by a torque monster, dont count on it... Its apples to oranges, but price to power you cant beat a gas hog that snorts flames!

Heres an example website...
http://www.ryanscarpage.50megs.com/combos1.html

Gimmie a minute...
 
Here are some dyno sheets... Basic cam kit costs 160 bucks http://www.compcams.com/Technical/DynoSheets/

Heres an idea... Chrysler developed this chart... gotta type it in so sorry for mistakes

ET--- MPH--hp--- WT
12.92 100 231 3000
12.92 100 239 3100
12.92 100 247 3200
12.92 100 255 3300
12.92 100 262 3400
12.92 100 270 3500
12.92 100 278 3600
12.92 100 286 3700
12.92 100 293 3800
12.92 100 301 3900
12.92 100 309 4000

This is assuming perfect amount of tire slip, shift points gearing, and basicly running more perfect then humanly possible... but this is the minumum required to do it.

If corner carving is what you want to do... you can retrofit most anything into anything else... The front end on a 70's vette is basicly the same as a corvair... in 1977 they pushed .7 g's on the skid pad! Reason why that got an exclamtion point was that the tires of the day <Cough> SUCKED!
So you install some Z rated rubber, huge inch pound springs, sway bars... and they hang with anything for... as cheap as you can make it happen.

Plus who likes metric wrenches anyway? Hard to eyeball the bolt sizes!
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Hotrod,

I'm not going to argue the merits of RWD vs AWD, high displacement vs high rev, import vs domestic, etc. I'm a Car guy, not just an import fan. Each has its merits, each has its compromises. I just don't appreciate anyone calling a Evo, STi, or WRX a "+7 second ricer".

Fact of the matter is: you don't buy a turbo AWD vehicle for drag racing. You buy it for handling, powering out of corners, confidence on all surfaces, etc.

Also, there's a difference between a modded car and a stock car. Plenty of people (myself included) prefer the best bang-for-the-buck out of a stock vehicle. I don't want to foot the bill when things break. And things do break.

Btw, have you heard about the 9 second Evos and STis and WRXs? They exist too. ;)
 
Originally posted by Hotrod
To the previous poster... How many times can you pull 0-60 before she goes flying apart?
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Just in reply to this specific statement: 0-60 runs in under 5 seconds on gravel can be done ad nauseum, and nothing will fly apart. ;)
 
I have heard about all of the above.... how many cubic feet of dollars do you want to spend?

My response... Who wants to buy a hopped up Mistusbishi Galant?

But in the same breath who wants to buy a hopped up Chevy 2, or a Ford Falcon rebodied an called a mustang?

Its pointless for me to attempt to sway anyones opinions on anything... but I can give my own in an attempt to educate those who are looking for the answer to the questions they ask.

Cheers,

Hotrod
 
Oh... The topic of off road racing is all relative. Are we talking a dune buggy, a rally car, a 4x4 Monster rock climber, a desert racer, or a relatively smooth graveled almost a road car?

Note: This post is purely in jest... :D

The super fast imports are cool, I'll admit that, but the ones that come over from Japan look like a robocop car! Imports I like are the Italian made stuff, but lets not talk quality when speaking about those! :D
 
thanks for all the good info, links much appreciated, and some of what hot rod speaks is true, but i have seen a EVO run a 13.90 something at the track, bone stock.

i have a '95 corvette LT1, not stock, so am very used to the upkeep prices for cars like this, anybody bought any P285ZR17 EMT's lately, $450+ for EACH tire, lol, so i am used to that.

i basically want a 4 door for travel/driving in the rain when i dont drive my vette, and was thinking about an EVO/SRX vs a BMW M3, MAYBE a used M5, something like that, a neat car thats pretty fast/handles well/wont break the bank(not the M5, lol).

why not drive the corvette in the rain?? itsa bear to drive in the rain even w/the ASR on, w/the power/ big tires/etc, and i dont like to get it all dirty, lol.

also like the old hot rods, before the vette i had a '72 Z/28 4spd, 4.11 gears, all the add ons, bought it second hand in '75 and had it till '95, but the combo of black vinyl interior/texas heat/no AC available isnt fun when ya get older, when i was 25 or so no biggie, but now it sucks, lol. sold the car for roughly 3X what i paid for it though. and 4.11's arent the best for hiway use, ie 4K RPM@55MPH

thanks for all the info, i had no idea about the rusting probs on the EVO, already learned something.

greg
 
Originally posted by Skyline


Fact of the matter is: you don't buy a turbo AWD vehicle for drag racing. You buy it for handling, powering out of corners, confidence on all surfaces, etc.
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And I can't get handling powering out of corners, and confidence on all surfaces with my rear wheel drive naturally aspirated big block muscle car? For the record you can, it's just a matter of knowing what you're doing. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to insult EVO's or WRX's, they are quick cars with nice power and I WOULD drive one everyday if given the chance.

That said, I'd go for the WRX...I much prefer Subaru's products they are reliable and better looking, in my opinion.

-Random
 
Skyline,

Hate to burst your bubble, but I've wasted a lot of soft rubber (read: expensive) on street racing, be it cars, trucks or motorcycles. Sun Prairie, Wisconsin might be Podunk to you, but we have the same cars here, even the ricers whose owners mix their own high octane and jiggle the boost.

You're right on one item, and that being suspension. The original cars. like the Legacy I mentioned, have 'standard' suspension for a family car ride. However, even when the ricers get the upgrade, it's still an 'over-sprung, under-dampened' affair. Give it a few years, they'll dial in the right combo.

Remember one thing, there's no substitute for cubic inches, and even boost tricks produce 'lag.' The common fix was two turbo chargers; a small one that spools fast, and the bigger one that carries the load. Of course, then there's the heat problem, requiring an intercooler. Again, give them a few years to dial it in.

England is ahead of us in this regard. They're putting Offenhsuers into the European Ford Escort. There's 500 honest horses.

But please, don't tell the cubic inch guys (Vipers, Mustang Cobras, F-150 Lightnings, etc.) that ricers should scare us. I'm thinking of upgrading to a Lightning with the vanity plate "RIC HNTR."
 
Originally posted by RandomMan
And I can't get handling powering out of corners, and confidence on all surfaces with my rear wheel drive naturally aspirated big block muscle car? For the record you can, it's just a matter of knowing what you're doing. ;)
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One time I saw the year-end review for Motor Week 2002. They showed the various cars they pushed through their twisty road course, trying to get the best lap time. They showed a Viper flying through this turn and the driver spun out (power on oversteer). They immediately followed up with the Subaru WRX going through the same turn, totally ripping through it with not even a hiccup.

My buddy has an Infiniti G35 coupe, 6MT. It's 280 hp, 270 ft-lbs RWD. When it starts drizzling, the rear end breaks loose very easily and it's a matter of controlling the tail slide around the curves. Pretty dangerous occurrence on the street, I must say. On the other hand, I can nail the throttle in that same curve in my WRX and power out of the turn with much lower risk of having to drift through the corner.

So I'm not totally clueless as to doing tail drifts in a high powered RWD car. But you certainly cannot approach the same exit speeds as AWD. The main thing with AWD is this: less skill is required to achieve the same speeds. It's "easy" to drive fast.
 
Originally posted by The Tourist
But please, don't tell the cubic inch guys (Vipers, Mustang Cobras, F-150 Lightnings, etc.) that ricers should scare us. I'm thinking of upgrading to a Lightning with the vanity plate "RIC HNTR."
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I'm not telling you to be scared of anyone. Hello! I'm advising you to give respect to the cars that are due the respect.

And you street race? You lost any respect that might have been owed to you right there.

Originally posted by The Tourist
Remember one thing, there's no substitute for cubic inches, and even boost tricks produce 'lag.' The common fix was two turbo chargers; a small one that spools fast, and the bigger one that carries the load. Of course, then there's the heat problem, requiring an intercooler. Again, give them a few years to dial it in.
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Do you even know what you're talking about? Can you tell me how many ft-lbs of torque the Subaru WRC2003 2.0L puts out, WHILE USING A 34MM RESTRICTOR? I like how you consider boost to be "tricks". I'm sure you think the MB AMG "Kompressor" is a big trick.

I've never put down muscle cars. I'm a fan of all cars: Vipers, Vettes, Enzos, Paganis, GNXs, etc etc. I'm a big fan of Le Mans, ALMS, Rolex Sports Cars, WRC, F1, etc etc. Puhlease. Your attitude is simply insulting.

The sad thing is that this thread started with someone asking for information about Evo vs STi. Some of us who are familiar with these vehicles are actually trying to share information. Of course, it's broken down into an Import-Slamming-Fest. Knock yourself out! Keep your tunnel-vision and ignore all the cars around you that don't happen to be naturally aspirated domestic cars. Obviously they can't be good cars.

I'm out. Enjoy talking to yourself.
 
With proper tires, I'd willingly take the rain challenge. Not the snow though, I live in Texas, if it snows my ass is staying home. ;)

There is alot more to figure into road racing then exit speeds. I've never personally seen a WRX keep UP with a Viper, so even if the Viper exits the corners 5mph slower then the WRX, it isn't likely to make a difference due to the higher speeds attained on the straights. I will give you that RWD is tougher to drive, but with practice and training anyone can control a RWD car. AWD has the added traction advantage, and on dirt or gravel I'd take the AWD car any day of the week. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the RWD cars on the race course or winding mountain road though.

I think alot of it is personal preference, driving style, and skill level. Which makes this a circular(albeit interesting) argument.

-Random
 
Originally posted by RandomMan
With proper tires, I'd willingly take the rain challenge. Not the snow though, I live in Texas, if it snows my ass is staying home. ;)

There is alot more to figure into road racing then exit speeds. I've never personally seen a WRX keep UP with a Viper, so even if the Viper exits the corners 5mph slower then the WRX, it isn't likely to make a difference due to the higher speeds attained on the straights. I will give you that RWD is tougher to drive, but with practice and training anyone can control a RWD car. AWD has the added traction advantage, and on dirt or gravel I'd take the AWD car any day of the week. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the RWD cars on the race course or winding mountain road though.

I think alot of it is personal preference, driving style, and skill level. Which makes this a circular(albeit interesting) argument.

-Random
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Good points, and I agree with you. The Viper is a car I greatly respect, and it'll absolutely murder a WRX on any road course or twisty mountain road. It would be interesting to see an Evo and STi vs a Viper on a sufficiently slow road course, where the Viper's ample top end becomes less of a factor.
 
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