mitsubishi EVO

"where the Viper's ample top end becomes less of a factor"

But isn't that the issue? You can pick a certain stretch of asphalt, rain conditions, drivers, and tire compound and always come up with a race that is favorable to your favorite car.

However, street racing is "run what you brung." If a guy challenged me, then backed out because 'it looked like rain,' he'd be guffawed off of the tarmac.

What gets me is the anger. Case in point, right after my Mustang was broken in (and three oil changes), an SS Monte Carlo pulled up next to me on Madison's Beltline. Granted, my Mustang was 'tweaked,' but basically a stock auto at that time. I nodded, dropped a gear and off we went.

It wasn't even close. By the time we had to slow for the curve leading to the Interstate, I was eight car lengths ahead. He didn't even follow me, but kept going straight to Cambridge, pounding on the wheel with both fists. I went home to sleep. We all get beat. If it bugs you that bad, buy racing parts and get your hands dirty.
 
I test drove the EVO, the, WRX and the STI and then settled for the Nissan 350Z.

For the same money it was in my opinion the best bang for the buck and since it was my money........................

*Edited my crummy spelling!!!
 
As someone else said, don't get it if it's the first year of production. (I'm not sure if this is the EVO's first year or not, and I'm too lazy to look it up on the internet). First tries rarely succeed in the auto business.

One thing I also don't like about Mit vehicles is that they are constently changing their styling, thus lowering the resale of their cars.

Just something to think about -- good luck with the new purchase.

BTW -- I've got a '68 fastback 'stang (definitely not a daily driver) that handles like a dump truck, but I wouldn't trade it for any new rice rocket -- or modern domestic for that matter. I just love the old muscle cars of the past. :D
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
I test drove the EVO, the, WRX and the STI and then settled for the Nissan 350Z.

For the same money it was in my opinion the best bang for the buck and since it was my money........................

*Edited my crummy spelling!!!
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I've driven my friends G35, which is quite similar to your 350Z. It's a real blast to drive.
 
Those are some cool vids by the way...

I just hate the hopping they both do on acceleration... :confused:
 
I'll take the WRX STI over any home augmented american muscle car anyday.

Look what you get:

Japanese engineering and excellent fit and finish. Italian design for the steering wheel and shift knob. (have you seen the seats?)

300 hp turbo charged 4-cyclinder engine.

4 doors

all wheel drive

Big brembo brake package

17" wheels

No additional performance modifications needed.

5 yr power train warranty

18-23 mpg!

Small enough to get into most parking spaces

One of the most safety concious cars in its class (front and side airbags, steel beams in the doors, steel beams under the car for head on collisions, 6" wide ring of steel to serve as a rollcage.)

all for a $30,000 price tag.

All you would have to buy is Tint, a skidplate, new radio, and a radar detector.
 
The car does not have rust issues, that's surface rust in a non painted area. Many new cars get surface rust rather quickly. I'm sure Mitsu will warranty the affected parts, even though their service is not known to be stellar...don't think they could deny the claim. Its not an emergency but like a Cancer, it should be treated.

I just got rid of my Viper GTS (awaiting an 04 M3), but I also have an Evo. Unfortunately, I was hit a few weeks ago causing a fair amount of damage (only 470 miles on it). When I get it back I may sell it for an 04 S2k.

Photo before getting hit....

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Viper leaving....

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Originally posted by Sundsvall
I'll take the WRX STI over any home augmented american muscle car anyday.p/quote]

Look what you get:

Japanese engineering and excellent fit and finish.
Something wrong with American Engineers? I don't consider Japanese engineers to be any better or worse then American engineers. American finish seems to be top-notch as well.

Italian design for the steering wheel and shift knob. (have you seen the seats?)
I can get a MOMO wheel and shift knob and Recaros for my American Muscle car.

300 hp turbo charged 4-cyclinder engine.
300+ hp naturally aspirated 8 cylinder engine.

4 doors
I'm pretty sure I can find a nice 4 door out there somewhere.

all wheel drive
See earlier posts

Big brembo brake package
I can get a nice big Baer or Brembo brake package on my American muscle car.

17" wheels
Yep...got those.

No additional performance modifications needed.
Nope don't need em.

5 yr power train warranty
That I'll give ya. ;)

18-23 mpg!
I can beat that..there are some 5-litre Mustangs that get 20 to 25mpg!

Small enough to get into most parking spaces
Never had a problem parking my vehicles. ;)

One of the most safety concious cars in its class (front and side airbags, steel beams in the doors, steel beams under the car for head on collisions, 6" wide ring of steel to serve as a rollcage.)
Yes, American cars have safety features too.

all for a $30,000 price tag.
I can have it for less than that. :)

All you would have to buy is Tint, a skidplate, new radio, and a radar detector.
Got tint with the car, skidplate(I'll pass), a new radio probably would be needed OEM radios just suck, radar detectors well everyone needs one and none are standard. :)

You've got a GREAT list of options, but anyone can have em. Be it Japanese, American, European...Like I said earlier, I have the utmost respect for the Subarus and Mistu's, but I won't discount any car from the running unless it can't get out of it's own way.

-Random
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Random,

I think I see where the disparaty lies.

I am in NYC, you are in Texas.

If you drove here you would appreciate the merits of the high compression pocket rockets.

In Texas, your cities may be crowded, but you have plenty of room to put your foot down on the gas when you are on the highways. Thats not the case here in the northeast. Its more like a parking lot with on exit. Not as bad as the west coast, but pretty bad.

Also, these cars are smaller and tuned for manuevarability. The big brake package on the smaller car means shorter stopping distances.

A big 3-4000 lb american car can have all those features but the total package and resulting performance will be different.

NYC has 4 seasons that gets pretty extreme. The winters are cold, snowy and icy. The summers are steamy and hot. You get all types of weather here.

If I wanted a street racing vehicle, I would go with a Porsche.

BTW, subarus, hondas, and toyotas don't shake apart like Fords and Chryslers. So maybe american engineering fit and finish is exactly that great.


So from my point of view, the only thing that makes the STi less than appetizing is the ridiculus amount of insurance that the car commands because of the platoons of street racers wrecking their cars in the first month!


Oh and BTW, parking in NYC is 25 cents for 8 minutes, 1-2 hour max, including sunday. Average parking lot fees is $25-40 for a 4 hours. $10 minimum for the first hour. So, if you were here, you would be looking at chopping off a foot of length of the car so you can squeeze into some free street parking.:)
 
again, thanksd for all the info, pretty neat video links, enjoyed them, lotsa good info, lotsa stuff i wanna hear....

i thought the EVO was available in japan for a pretty good while, just not imported into the US?? am i mistaken??

saw a suburu WRX today, looked at it/etc, another pretty neat car, i guess i need to go drive all of them.

whats the leg room in the EVO/WRX like??


greg
 
Originally posted by Beltfed
The car does not have rust issues, that's surface rust in a non painted area. Many new cars get surface rust rather quickly. I'm sure Mitsu will warranty the affected parts, even though their service is not known to be stellar...don't think they could deny the claim. Its not an emergency but like a Cancer, it should be treated.
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And that is a painted panel, its on a silver car.
Just remember how the Eclipse strut towers seem to rust away.
And they were also saying there were rust puddles under the cars at the DEALERSHIP. A car shouldnt even get surface rust that soon.

Anyway, compareing the weight of the STI and the EVO doesnt help here, they both weigh the same. Atleast thats what i saw on C&D TV.
 
We've settled one thing, for sure, people are passionate about what they drive.

It seems there are guys that like 'Japanese' technology. It also seems like there are guys who like the rumble of big V-8's and don't mind the maintenance. I'm one of those guys.

To me, wrenching and waxing and tweaking are all part of the sport. So is shifting your own gears, and I'm glad that the new F-150 Lightnings are going to a Cobra motor and a six-speed tranny.

That's not to say that I haven't driven (and owned) vehicles that produce power only when wound up. I had a 1994 Ford Explorer that we bought for snow and vacations. It had the older motor, and it made a lot of power within its limits. We could cruise effortlessly on the Insterstate to South Dakota if I 'kept my foot in it.'

The moment I let off, the power dropped, and with the automatic, I could not instantly downshift to get power. My wife, on the other hand, used it as a 'grocery hauler,' and could have cared less. We updated that Explorer to the one for a two-door Sport model with the SOHC and 200 horsepower ASAP.

Now, my F-150 has the 4.6 liter engine and a five-speed. And yes, I've embarrassed some imports from 'roll on.' That's what I like, the torque.
 
Originally posted by SIFU1A
whats the leg room in the EVO/WRX like??
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You may wish to do some searches at www.nasioc.com and www.evolutionm.net , lots of info at those forums. There are plenty of people on NASIOC that are driving WRXs who are 6'+ and above, including a few in the 6'7" and 6'8" range. Obviously, the driver's seat is all the way back. LOL.

No, the leg room isn't like a Maybach 62, but it's decent for cars of this weight (3100 lbs) and size (compact).
 
Lotus Elise 111s (Euro-version)
- U.S.A. version will be slightly different.

Engine: Transverse mid engine 4 cylinders in line, 1796cc Double overhead camshaft; 16v All aluminum lightweight construction

Maximum output: 156bhp@7,500r/min
Maximum torque: 129lb.ft 3,500-4,650rpm

Performance:
Max speed 132mph
0-60 mph 5.1 secs
0-100 mph 14.0 secs

Fuel Consumption:
Urban Cold 30.0 mpg
Extra Urban 51.8 mpg
Combined 40.9 mpg

Transmission: Close ratio 5-speed transaxle driving rear wheels

Dimensions:
Wheel base 2301mm
Front track 1457mm
Rear track 1503mm
Overall length 3785mm
Overall width 1719mm (excl door mirrors)
Overall height 1143mm

Weight:
757Kg* [1665 lbs]
Unladen weight 806*
[1773 lbs] (including full tank of fuel)

Weight distribution: 39% front - 61% rear


Just wanted to throw this guy into the discusion...:D
 
If I had loads of cash, I'd get an Elise for a weekend car for sure. It's the closest you can get to a race car in a production vehicle.

Very nice.
 
I'm a Chevy guy...

But the 2003 Cobra's are pushing out 500 rear wheel horsies with a new set of pulleys an some other tweaks...

The vette guys on www.corvetteforum.com are freaking out at times over em...

:cool:
 
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