At first I thought Para was a good choice, but now I am starting to wonder. Para with a few things you have said already like aggressive moderation for this forum, and talking about deleting threads makes me wonder. I am going to remind you that a modorator deleting threads is one of the major problems that Knifeforums had that resulted in the start of BFC. I know you can do better than that, please don't get too exsited about over moderating, and you will do fine.
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I'm not over excited about moderating db. I simply did what I thought was right today. My comment in the other thread (now in GBU) was about deleting the locked thread from the general forum, not from everywhere.
There are two options when moving a thread. One is to move it, and leave a locked copy where it started. And the other is to move it, and delete it from the original forum.
I think in some cases deletion of the thread from the original forum is a good idea to try and squelch an arguement or keep it from breeding other malicious threads.
I agree with you about complete deletion of posts or threads. I promise not to ever do that without very compelling reasons, making a copy, and emailing my co-moderators and the adminstrators of this site with why I took such action. There is nothing other than outright pornography or something obvious illegal that would prompt such action. Nothing about this controversy calls for total deletion of anyones words.
But why should Lynn be allowed to benefit from bad behavior (although in this case I don't know if it does help him)? If his thread is in the wrong place and is out of line, I think it makes sense not only to move it, but to delete the original as well.
I dunno. I do not mean to be practicing 'agressive moderation'. I have just learned from watching things here that sometimes not being agressive enough at the outset makes things worse. Locked threads in particular draw excited moths to flames.
I really wish Lynn had not taken this action today. What you you have done?
Give me a chance. I am sure you will find me fair enough (I hope).
Para
There are two options when moving a thread. One is to move it, and leave a locked copy where it started. And the other is to move it, and delete it from the original forum.
I think in some cases deletion of the thread from the original forum is a good idea to try and squelch an arguement or keep it from breeding other malicious threads.
I agree with you about complete deletion of posts or threads. I promise not to ever do that without very compelling reasons, making a copy, and emailing my co-moderators and the adminstrators of this site with why I took such action. There is nothing other than outright pornography or something obvious illegal that would prompt such action. Nothing about this controversy calls for total deletion of anyones words.
But why should Lynn be allowed to benefit from bad behavior (although in this case I don't know if it does help him)? If his thread is in the wrong place and is out of line, I think it makes sense not only to move it, but to delete the original as well.
I dunno. I do not mean to be practicing 'agressive moderation'. I have just learned from watching things here that sometimes not being agressive enough at the outset makes things worse. Locked threads in particular draw excited moths to flames.
I really wish Lynn had not taken this action today. What you you have done?
Give me a chance. I am sure you will find me fair enough (I hope).
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Good Day,
I think that Brad Hiltbrand aka Paracelsus will do fine. James K Mattis often used humour to defuse or throw light on a situation. And while I was initially very suspicious of anyone using the word 'delete', I think I agree with Para. One thing I would say is this- I think leaving a locked thread is just fine, due to the fact that no one can reply to it, it naturally will filter down. And, deletion is a slippery slope.
I also thing that Greg Mete aka KodiakPA would be a fine moderator.
Hoodoo would also do well.
I have to say, that I have neither the time nor the inclination to be a moderator. I once did an inventory of my interests and hobbies etc, I then plotted how much time I wanted to spend on each, and when I finished my analysis, I realized that I had no time to sleep or eat. Though, I thank you cerulean.
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I think that Brad Hiltbrand aka Paracelsus will do fine. James K Mattis often used humour to defuse or throw light on a situation. And while I was initially very suspicious of anyone using the word 'delete', I think I agree with Para. One thing I would say is this- I think leaving a locked thread is just fine, due to the fact that no one can reply to it, it naturally will filter down. And, deletion is a slippery slope.
I also thing that Greg Mete aka KodiakPA would be a fine moderator.
Hoodoo would also do well.
I have to say, that I have neither the time nor the inclination to be a moderator. I once did an inventory of my interests and hobbies etc, I then plotted how much time I wanted to spend on each, and when I finished my analysis, I realized that I had no time to sleep or eat. Though, I thank you cerulean.
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-http://www.geocities.com/siegleknives-
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Fire Page, metal match sources and index of information.
"We will either find a way, or make one." Hannibal, 210 B.C.
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MDP,
I would be a terrible moderator. I would use my power to vanquish my enemies and humiliate those who attempted to overthrow me. Anyone who disagreed with me would have their posts deleted. Those who didn't like the knives I like, would be banned from the forum. Eventually, I would change the rules of the forum so that only I would be allowed to make personal attacks. And of course, I would expect everyone to admire me for my leadership. I would rule with AN IRON FIST!
There. Aren't you lucky I'm not a moderator? But I nominate TheMartialWay, a very mellow fellow. Also Bronco, Gary Graley, Comrade Chang, Brian_Turner, not2sharp, Blues, e_utopia, maddog2020, Kodiak PA ...WoW! As I look over the members we have here I realize there are tons of great people to choose from. This really is just a short list. BF is rich in great people that would make excellent moderators.
Sometimes I get discouraged about some of the things that go on here but when I look at the vast majority of posts, I realize that BF has a tremendous number of friendly, helpful people. James Mattis is a tough act to follow but I think one of the reasons James was so good is that he enjoyed the people here because we really do have a great crowd of poeple. I've named only a few that have been so interesting and helpful to me. There are many, many more. I've always appreciated the hard work and contribution of time that the moderators put in and I know that, because of them, BF will continue to be a fun place to hang out. Thanks folks!
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I would be a terrible moderator. I would use my power to vanquish my enemies and humiliate those who attempted to overthrow me. Anyone who disagreed with me would have their posts deleted. Those who didn't like the knives I like, would be banned from the forum. Eventually, I would change the rules of the forum so that only I would be allowed to make personal attacks. And of course, I would expect everyone to admire me for my leadership. I would rule with AN IRON FIST!
There. Aren't you lucky I'm not a moderator? But I nominate TheMartialWay, a very mellow fellow. Also Bronco, Gary Graley, Comrade Chang, Brian_Turner, not2sharp, Blues, e_utopia, maddog2020, Kodiak PA ...WoW! As I look over the members we have here I realize there are tons of great people to choose from. This really is just a short list. BF is rich in great people that would make excellent moderators.
Sometimes I get discouraged about some of the things that go on here but when I look at the vast majority of posts, I realize that BF has a tremendous number of friendly, helpful people. James Mattis is a tough act to follow but I think one of the reasons James was so good is that he enjoyed the people here because we really do have a great crowd of poeple. I've named only a few that have been so interesting and helpful to me. There are many, many more. I've always appreciated the hard work and contribution of time that the moderators put in and I know that, because of them, BF will continue to be a fun place to hang out. Thanks folks!
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JKM
hey, i'm back; make me a moderator.
I'll do it on tuesday and thrusday between 9:45 AM EST and 10:20 AM EST. that should be enough for the hundreds of posts every day. right?
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(BTW, this is the 2nd thing I've posted in over 8 months.)
I'll do it on tuesday and thrusday between 9:45 AM EST and 10:20 AM EST. that should be enough for the hundreds of posts every day. right?
.just.having.fun.with.good.old.bladeforums..unocide.
(BTW, this is the 2nd thing I've posted in over 8 months.)
Para you said "give me a chance." I am, in fact I am in your corner on this one. My point is that deleting a post/ thread even after it is moved is a bad idea. And deleting should only be used in the most exstreme cases. Even Mike Turber had told me last time I talked to him that deleting was something he never did unless it was very nessary. At that time he had only deleted under a handful of posts.
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db, thanks for your support. I'm still not sure that you understand what I am talking about. I mean making of copy of a thread and moving it to somewhere more appropriate (in this case, WC). But instead of leaving a locked copy of the 'bad' thread in the general forum, attracting attention and possibly helping fan flames, I am suggesting deleting ONLY the original copy. Nobody's words are total removed from the BFC site. And the purpose of the Troll thread is defeated.
BTW, I have told Tim and Kit (the other side of this fight) that any similar behavior on their part will receive similar treatment.
Thats only fair. I think they understand that.
The idea that I have not explained very well is very different from total deletion of threads. I am very much against censorship.
Moderation is a tough thing. Each case is just a little different and calls for a different response. This can range from Nothing, pointing a forum member to this information he seeks, posting helpful links, trying to get folks to take themselves and others words a little less seriously, or even locking (and possibly deleting) a thread or post altogether. I would try to do Nothing most of the time. I always try to post helpful information when I have it or know where to find it. I would hope I do not actually have to act like a policeman very much. This forum does police itself very well. Taking administrative action (moving, locking, or deleting threads) is rarely required.
But if a forum member chooses to spread an arguement from one forum to another by taking others posts out of context, and distorting their intent in an effort to create even More flames, does it help anyone to leave the locked thread? What if lots of folks started doing this? A good trolling technique that would stir up a lot of trouble would be to do exactly this. Their threads would be locked. But their purpose would be accomplished.
Such action could only be taken on a case by case basis. In this particular instance, I think Lynn crossed the line so blatantly that transer of his thread back to GBU without even leaving the locked thread would have been appropriate. But maybe not. so I did not do it. I only raised the question. I understand that the word DELETION spells Danger,Bad Form, Unfairness, Mistreatment, Bias, etc. I did not raise this issue lightly. It is very very serious.
I won't delete anything without speaking with Spark, Mike, or other moderators. Thanks for you thoughts
Para
BTW, I have told Tim and Kit (the other side of this fight) that any similar behavior on their part will receive similar treatment.
Thats only fair. I think they understand that.
The idea that I have not explained very well is very different from total deletion of threads. I am very much against censorship.
Moderation is a tough thing. Each case is just a little different and calls for a different response. This can range from Nothing, pointing a forum member to this information he seeks, posting helpful links, trying to get folks to take themselves and others words a little less seriously, or even locking (and possibly deleting) a thread or post altogether. I would try to do Nothing most of the time. I always try to post helpful information when I have it or know where to find it. I would hope I do not actually have to act like a policeman very much. This forum does police itself very well. Taking administrative action (moving, locking, or deleting threads) is rarely required.
But if a forum member chooses to spread an arguement from one forum to another by taking others posts out of context, and distorting their intent in an effort to create even More flames, does it help anyone to leave the locked thread? What if lots of folks started doing this? A good trolling technique that would stir up a lot of trouble would be to do exactly this. Their threads would be locked. But their purpose would be accomplished.
Such action could only be taken on a case by case basis. In this particular instance, I think Lynn crossed the line so blatantly that transer of his thread back to GBU without even leaving the locked thread would have been appropriate. But maybe not. so I did not do it. I only raised the question. I understand that the word DELETION spells Danger,Bad Form, Unfairness, Mistreatment, Bias, etc. I did not raise this issue lightly. It is very very serious.
I won't delete anything without speaking with Spark, Mike, or other moderators. Thanks for you thoughts
Para
Well Let me interject with some fairly random .... Ok .... more like thought out but still half baked ideas of my own on the whole Lynn Thang. My feelings for his wares, his ego and his selling style aside, I dont know that the thread belonged in GB&U. Dont get me wrong I dont think that a protracted arguement on General is correct either but for me the GB&U forum is for people to talk about either the Good (people who pay promptly and people who describe and sell honestly) or people who have deliberatly done evil stuff such as misrepresent an item or recieve one and never pay for it etc.
Blatant dishonesty!
Lynn is not nessesarly shtuping people. He offers his stuff and there is a solid little group that wants to buy them. He doesnt claim that they are made of moon rocks and such. He may be exagerating his wait time and demand in order to create his price structure but no one is forcing joe consumer to buy it. If you think a plain jane design made of ATS is worth something to you then by all means go ahead. Maddog makes 0-1 knives with plastic handles and people pay hundreds. Good for them and good for him. Damn I wish I had more to add as far as proper choice but I am not happy with its placement in GB&U but I dont think that new people should be subjected to and perhaps draw wrong impresions about knfe makers by reading this fight in general forum. There is Whine and Cheese or even perhaps The Custom forum where this might have been better placed. As far as deleting ..... Unless it is so offensive .... Racism, sickness or other really misplaced stupid stuff I dont think it should EVER be deleted. Let me follow the locked link. Im a grown up. I want to make that decision myself. I can decide if it is something I want to read about or something I want to ignore. I cant do that if Im not even aware of it. Well Back to cleaning the apartment.
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Blatant dishonesty!
Lynn is not nessesarly shtuping people. He offers his stuff and there is a solid little group that wants to buy them. He doesnt claim that they are made of moon rocks and such. He may be exagerating his wait time and demand in order to create his price structure but no one is forcing joe consumer to buy it. If you think a plain jane design made of ATS is worth something to you then by all means go ahead. Maddog makes 0-1 knives with plastic handles and people pay hundreds. Good for them and good for him. Damn I wish I had more to add as far as proper choice but I am not happy with its placement in GB&U but I dont think that new people should be subjected to and perhaps draw wrong impresions about knfe makers by reading this fight in general forum. There is Whine and Cheese or even perhaps The Custom forum where this might have been better placed. As far as deleting ..... Unless it is so offensive .... Racism, sickness or other really misplaced stupid stuff I dont think it should EVER be deleted. Let me follow the locked link. Im a grown up. I want to make that decision myself. I can decide if it is something I want to read about or something I want to ignore. I cant do that if Im not even aware of it. Well Back to cleaning the apartment.
My 5 cent
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A much needed PS
This thread, the Lynn affair and the developing discussion just go to show you how difficult, challenging and COMPLETLEY unrewarding the job of moderater is. I sit as arm chair Quarterback and cant come up with an appropriate plan and these guys have to do it on the fly everyday. Im not a very good Butt kiss but I know when to be grateful.
Thanks to para and all the other moderaters who do a tough job for ..... how much money was that again
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This thread, the Lynn affair and the developing discussion just go to show you how difficult, challenging and COMPLETLEY unrewarding the job of moderater is. I sit as arm chair Quarterback and cant come up with an appropriate plan and these guys have to do it on the fly everyday. Im not a very good Butt kiss but I know when to be grateful.
Thanks to para and all the other moderaters who do a tough job for ..... how much money was that again
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Here's one of the problems with flame threads like Lynn's. It starts to spill into other threads. Next thing you know, you have people arguing in a bunch of threads that never started out as the original thread. A small flame turns into a bunch of flames. And instead of ONE person attacking another person, PEOPLE start attacking people and on and on it goes ad infinitum, until your eyes cross at all the namecalling. Some people think they can somehow win the debate by "shouting louder." But it's usually all sum and no substance. And the truth is that everyone loses as people form into their little "armed camps."
And that's why moderators are so important. James was such a great moderator because he intuitively knew when to lock or move a thread before it snowballed. And when people bitched about his moderating (and they did bitch) he just took it in stride and kept to his principles. And I have no doubt Para will continue on in the same way. He's a great choice for moderator for the general forum, (IMO, of course).
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JKM
And that's why moderators are so important. James was such a great moderator because he intuitively knew when to lock or move a thread before it snowballed. And when people bitched about his moderating (and they did bitch) he just took it in stride and kept to his principles. And I have no doubt Para will continue on in the same way. He's a great choice for moderator for the general forum, (IMO, of course).
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Hoodoo
I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
Para I do understand what you meen. Some bleed over threads are just going to happen take a look at HooDoo's thread on rules he had posted . My point is after you lock a thread if you delete it it can give the appearance of hiding it even if it is moved. This really is how Knifeforum.com started to get in trouble, it was the apperance of censorship, not really any act of it. I do see your point and just am giving you something to think about. Thanks for your last post sounds good for the most part.Good luck moderating this beast
....although not what this thread was intended for, I'll offer the following regarding the discussion about handling threads:
(1) don't believe I've ever deleted any
(2) I've locked a LOT where I've also redirected the thread to a more appropriate forum
(3) I've flat out locked a few that "crossed the line" where redirection didn't apply
(4) I've received plenty of e-mail calling attention to problem threads (much appreciated)
(5) And initially, after stepping up as a moderator, I received plenty of e-mail criticizing actions I took (ya can't win 'em all; and at least this subsided after a few months)
I think Spark is still looking for candidates to help out here. I've seen some darned good names mentioned but I haven't seen much in the way of folks stepping up to the plate to offer their help...mmmmmmmmmm. Perhaps the word needs to be spread about moderator appointments / volunteers needed here.....
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(1) don't believe I've ever deleted any
(2) I've locked a LOT where I've also redirected the thread to a more appropriate forum
(3) I've flat out locked a few that "crossed the line" where redirection didn't apply
(4) I've received plenty of e-mail calling attention to problem threads (much appreciated)
(5) And initially, after stepping up as a moderator, I received plenty of e-mail criticizing actions I took (ya can't win 'em all; and at least this subsided after a few months)
I think Spark is still looking for candidates to help out here. I've seen some darned good names mentioned but I haven't seen much in the way of folks stepping up to the plate to offer their help...mmmmmmmmmm. Perhaps the word needs to be spread about moderator appointments / volunteers needed here.....
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I did NOT escape from the institution! They gave me a day pass!
BFC member since the very beginning
Member: American Knife & Tool Institute; Varmint Hunters Association;
National Rifle Association; Praire Thunder Inc.; Rapid City Rifle Club;
Spearfish Rifle & Pistol Club; Buck Collectors Club (prime interest: 532s)
Certified Talonite(r) enthusiast!
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I nominate Tim Herman for Moderator of the General Forum!! Yeah Tim!!! He promises a steak on every plate and a cadillac in his driveway!
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Always think of your fellow knife makers as partners in the search for the perfect blade, not as people trying to compete with you and your work!
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Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms!!!
FWIW, I would like to add my 2 cents to the conversation....
First of all, Bald1 has said in this thread that he does not have time to moderate this forum on a full-time basis....
Since the passing of James Mattis there has been very little moderating in this forum, and I think that when there has been, it was either Mike or Spark doing the job.... Again, Bald1 has stated that due to prior commitments, computer problems, etc. that he does not have the time to do an adequate job. I completely understand, respect, and compliment him on his honesty.
It's a tough, non-paying job.... Personally, I don't know why anyone would want it, but I appreciate and understand that it has to be done, and that Mike and Spark do not have the time to do it on a full-time basis. They need good help!
Secondly, I feel very comfortable knowing that Brad Hiltbrand (Paracelsus) will be taking on the primary role of moderator.... Para can have an odd sense of humor at times, but his passion about our forum is evident, and I am certain that he is more then capable of doing a superb job! He seems to really love this place, and is willing to devote the time that is required to do it right.
As far as Para moving Lynn's thread to the good, bad, and ugly.... Well, none of that mess started in the General Forum, and I feel it was in the poorest of taste for Lynn to start something here that he absolutely should have known was in the wrong forum.... In the event that he didn't know where it belonged, why didn't he start it where the origional (problem) thread was located? Not only was it done in poor taste in the wrong forum, but he took something that another very repected knifemaker/forum member said, and completely distorted it to mean something that was absolutely absurd!
So yes, I feel that Para was certainly in the right by not only moving the thread to a more appropriate forum, but for completely getting rid of the garbage that was intentionally started in the wrong forum to begin with... My hat is off to you Para for doing the right thing!!!!
As far as other moderators..... Well, if Para is willing to be a very active moderator, and Spark and Bald1 are willing to help out when they have the time, I don't know that we need anymore.
Again, this is just my humble opinion, for what it's worth!!!
First of all, Bald1 has said in this thread that he does not have time to moderate this forum on a full-time basis....
Since the passing of James Mattis there has been very little moderating in this forum, and I think that when there has been, it was either Mike or Spark doing the job.... Again, Bald1 has stated that due to prior commitments, computer problems, etc. that he does not have the time to do an adequate job. I completely understand, respect, and compliment him on his honesty.
It's a tough, non-paying job.... Personally, I don't know why anyone would want it, but I appreciate and understand that it has to be done, and that Mike and Spark do not have the time to do it on a full-time basis. They need good help!
Secondly, I feel very comfortable knowing that Brad Hiltbrand (Paracelsus) will be taking on the primary role of moderator.... Para can have an odd sense of humor at times, but his passion about our forum is evident, and I am certain that he is more then capable of doing a superb job! He seems to really love this place, and is willing to devote the time that is required to do it right.
As far as Para moving Lynn's thread to the good, bad, and ugly.... Well, none of that mess started in the General Forum, and I feel it was in the poorest of taste for Lynn to start something here that he absolutely should have known was in the wrong forum.... In the event that he didn't know where it belonged, why didn't he start it where the origional (problem) thread was located? Not only was it done in poor taste in the wrong forum, but he took something that another very repected knifemaker/forum member said, and completely distorted it to mean something that was absolutely absurd!
So yes, I feel that Para was certainly in the right by not only moving the thread to a more appropriate forum, but for completely getting rid of the garbage that was intentionally started in the wrong forum to begin with... My hat is off to you Para for doing the right thing!!!!
As far as other moderators..... Well, if Para is willing to be a very active moderator, and Spark and Bald1 are willing to help out when they have the time, I don't know that we need anymore.
Again, this is just my humble opinion, for what it's worth!!!
Gene, Para did not delete the Grififth thread off of this forum. For anyone who thinks I was talking about any particular thread I wasn't. I just had a few questions about a things Para had said and disagree with. I feel that aggressive moderation is not really needed and the members do a good job of self policing and a good moderater has a light touch.
I sincerely apologize for my above statement that was incorrect!!!! The thread was not deleted from this forum!!! After db just pointed it out, I went back and re-read and sure enough.... There it was, plain as the nose on my face!!!
I guess I just rushed through this thread last night, and assumed that Lynns thread was deleted.... I only seen it in the general forum once... Then it disappeared (obviously to page two)...
Guess that's what I get for assuming!!!!
With all that behind us; all I am trying to say is --- Para is a good guy.... He has some BIG shoes to fill, and I think we should all support him! IMHO, he will turn out to be a fine moderator!!!
Sorry again for the incorrect statement!!!
Gene
I guess I just rushed through this thread last night, and assumed that Lynns thread was deleted.... I only seen it in the general forum once... Then it disappeared (obviously to page two)...
Guess that's what I get for assuming!!!!
With all that behind us; all I am trying to say is --- Para is a good guy.... He has some BIG shoes to fill, and I think we should all support him! IMHO, he will turn out to be a fine moderator!!!
Sorry again for the incorrect statement!!!
Gene